How good were the Pistons with Isaiah?
Posted: Wed Jun 3, 2020 9:46 pm
They were the only team in history to defeat the Larry Bird Celtics, Michael Jordan Bulls and Magic Johnson Lakers.
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Snakebites wrote:Who's Isaiah?
Canadafan wrote:Snakebites wrote:Who's Isaiah?
Ya this always been one of my pet peeves lol. Not a big deal but soooo many people spell it wrong.
Billl wrote:I voted top 10. They were a great team, but they had a short peak.
NYPiston wrote:Billl wrote:I voted top 10. They were a great team, but they had a short peak.
So did the Bird Celtics yet everybody talks about them as one of the best dynasties of all time and they never won back to back. Most dynasties peak at 5 years or so.
They could have EASILY won 3 championships in a row beating Bird once and Magic and Jordan multiple times. I know, woulda coulda shoulda but if they don't call the phantom foul on Laimbeer, we're talking about one of the greatest dynasties of all time but now with only the back to back Championships people talk about them as a mere nuisance that broke up the Bird, Magic to Jordan glamour party when in reality, they were just as good as most of those teams. In the shot clock era, I'd say the only teams I'd put ahead of The Bad Boys are the '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers and '96 Bulls. The Warriors wouldn't have been able to free wheel in the late 80s, early 90s although Durant would get his in any era.
The '89 Pistons are top 5 for me.
Billl wrote:NYPiston wrote:Billl wrote:I voted top 10. They were a great team, but they had a short peak.
That celtics team won 3 and had 2 other trips to the finals mixed in.
If you want to play woulda coulda shoulda - Magic got hurt. Bird could barely walk with his back. Those are much bigger handicaps than a bag call.
Hey, I love that pistons team, but they had a really short peak. That 89 team was old - bill 32, edwards 34, aguire 30, vinnie 33, mahorn 31,long 33. We really went all in with vets to get over the hump. It paid off, but it also meant we weren't going to stay up there long.
Snakebites wrote:Canadafan wrote:Snakebites wrote:Who's Isaiah?
Ya this always been one of my pet peeves lol. Not a big deal but soooo many people spell it wrong.
In fairness the extra A is by far the more common way to spell it. Thomas might be the only one I know that is missing the second A.
Billl wrote:NYPiston wrote:Billl wrote:I voted top 10. They were a great team, but they had a short peak.
So did the Bird Celtics yet everybody talks about them as one of the best dynasties of all time and they never won back to back. Most dynasties peak at 5 years or so.
They could have EASILY won 3 championships in a row beating Bird once and Magic and Jordan multiple times. I know, woulda coulda shoulda but if they don't call the phantom foul on Laimbeer, we're talking about one of the greatest dynasties of all time but now with only the back to back Championships people talk about them as a mere nuisance that broke up the Bird, Magic to Jordan glamour party when in reality, they were just as good as most of those teams. In the shot clock era, I'd say the only teams I'd put ahead of The Bad Boys are the '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers and '96 Bulls. The Warriors wouldn't have been able to free wheel in the late 80s, early 90s although Durant would get his in any era.
The '89 Pistons are top 5 for me.
That celtics team won 3 and had 2 other trips to the finals mixed in.
If you want to play woulda coulda shoulda - Magic got hurt. Bird could barely walk with his back. Those are much bigger handicaps than a bag call.
Hey, I love that pistons team, but they had a really short peak. That 89 team was old - bill 32, edwards 34, aguire 30, vinnie 33, mahorn 31,long 33. We really went all in with vets to get over the hump. It paid off, but it also meant we weren't going to stay up there long.
flow wrote:Billl wrote:NYPiston wrote:
So did the Bird Celtics yet everybody talks about them as one of the best dynasties of all time and they never won back to back. Most dynasties peak at 5 years or so.
They could have EASILY won 3 championships in a row beating Bird once and Magic and Jordan multiple times. I know, woulda coulda shoulda but if they don't call the phantom foul on Laimbeer, we're talking about one of the greatest dynasties of all time but now with only the back to back Championships people talk about them as a mere nuisance that broke up the Bird, Magic to Jordan glamour party when in reality, they were just as good as most of those teams. In the shot clock era, I'd say the only teams I'd put ahead of The Bad Boys are the '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers and '96 Bulls. The Warriors wouldn't have been able to free wheel in the late 80s, early 90s although Durant would get his in any era.
The '89 Pistons are top 5 for me.
That celtics team won 3 and had 2 other trips to the finals mixed in.
If you want to play woulda coulda shoulda - Magic got hurt. Bird could barely walk with his back. Those are much bigger handicaps than a bag call.
Hey, I love that pistons team, but they had a really short peak. That 89 team was old - bill 32, edwards 34, aguire 30, vinnie 33, mahorn 31,long 33. We really went all in with vets to get over the hump. It paid off, but it also meant we weren't going to stay up there long.
I don't know. Depends how you define peak. For me, they had a 4 year peak, which isn't that short. 1987-1990. I'd rank those teams as follows:
1. 1988
2. 1987/1989 Tie
4. 1990
That 1987 team is criminally overlooked. They had Boston beat twice in the ECF. First, Isiah throws the infamous pass to Bird at the end of game 5 (would have been up 3-2 heading back to pontiac), then Dantley/Johnson collide and knock each other out of the game in the 2nd half of Game 7.
They should have had 4 straight finals appearances and 3 straight rings. Magic getting hurt in the '89 series did nothing to the series except give Lakers fans an excuse to create. They had no chance regardless. Isiah's injury in game 6 of '88 was far more impactful than Magic's injury in '89. They did miss Byron Scott in the '89 series, though.
Uncle Mxy wrote:The Isaiah Morris year was marred by Isiah installing coach Ron Rothstein in retaliation for Chuck Daly's Olympic snub. Clearly, no one could see just what a talent we had on his hands. "Butch" ended up playing professionally for 15 years, once he left the toxic NBA scene. We should mourn what might have been, if circumstances were different.
Seriously, am I the only one who remembers having an Isiah and an Isaiah on the same team?
Warspite wrote:IMHO the 1987 Pistons were better than any of the Championship teams.
Uncle Mxy wrote:Warspite wrote:IMHO the 1987 Pistons were better than any of the Championship teams.
What makes them better than the 1988 Pistons?
Uncle Mxy wrote:Yeah, I know what he said. But, 1988 has Buddha, has Dumars/Rodman/Salley being another year better and them getting to the Finals (and being robbed by the phantom foul/Kareem's travel), etc. I'd take 1988 over 1987.