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Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall

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Would you do this trade?

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Re: Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall 

Post#41 » by DetroitDon15 » Sun Sep 6, 2020 7:58 pm

I think slot of people dealing our guys without getting much value is silly. Luke is worth more than a pick in the 20s or attached to Blake for an equally bad deal (Horford/Batum/Wiggins/Etc). I want to keep the pick and take Deni or Halliburton. Stay the course and use our cap space to acquire firsts. No need to take on salary. We have to draft right and make smart trades. No just look to make trades to add Gleaguers who will take up roster spots.
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Re: Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall 

Post#42 » by ByeByeDre » Mon Sep 7, 2020 4:38 am

Crymson wrote:
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Crymson wrote:I've said it elsewhere: the odds are against #26 and #30 developing into NBA role players.


The last eight players taken 26 and 30......

Windler - missed season due to injury - jury’s out
Porter Jr - 10ppg and 23 mpg as a rookie - Easily a role player, perhaps better
Shamet - started over half the games this year on a title favorite
Spellman - bounced up and down, not quite role player level, at least yet
Swanigan - he’s going to be bounced out of the league
Hart - plays 27 minutes a game for the Pels, 10 ppg, role player/starter
Korkmaz - scored 10 a game this season on a playoff team. Role player
Jones - was Golden State’s starter last year until he got hurt, started half the games for Atlanta this year.

Not including the injured guy, six of the seven others would get role player minutes on the Pistons easily. Heck, four or five could start on this train wreck!

The best at 7 was Jamal Murray, the next best is Markkanen, followed by Carter Jr. And Coby White. Meh. The best at 14 is Bam, followed by Otto Porter Jr.

To me, for the Pistons, I would take Porter, Hart and Porter over Markkanen. Murray versus Bam, Shamet and Korkmaz? Up until a week ago I’d take the three. The Pistons need multiple good basketball players. Considering for every Murray there’s a Wendell Carter Jr, give me the three cost controlled picks.


Those are all role players, and the teams involved beat the odds by finding them. The Pistons will not succeed on the back of a group of role players. If the Pistons want to go anywhere, they'll need the sort of solid, lead talent on which they've been so desperately short since 2008. For that matter, they'll need to do one better than the Going to Work Pistons: they need star talent.

It's possible that Porter Jr. will become more than a role player, but he's on the Cavs because Stefanski is a nitwit.


So they’re all role players but the odds are against them being role players?

The people who think this is a bad trade think the Pistons are going to draft a superstar at #7, I wish them luck. While we’re putting odds on things, I’ll put the odds at 5%. The past ten years, the total number of All Star appearances by 7th picks? Zero. Give me three cost controlled contracts over one.
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Re: Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall 

Post#43 » by ByeByeDre » Mon Sep 7, 2020 4:47 am

Past ten years - picks 6-8 - thirty players, One All Star

Past ten years - picks 14, 26 and 30 - thirty players, Two All Stars

A team like the Celtics needs one more good basketball player to push them over the top.

A team like the Pistons needs a lot of good basketball players.
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Re: Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall 

Post#44 » by Pharaoh » Mon Sep 7, 2020 5:43 am

ByeByeDre wrote:Past ten years - picks 6-8 - thirty players, One All Star

Past ten years - picks 14, 26 and 30 - thirty players, Two All Stars

A team like the Celtics needs one more good basketball player to push them over the top.

A team like the Pistons needs a lot of good basketball players.
Skewing the data there though.

Should be:

Past ten years - pick 7 through 60 = "x" all stars

V

Past ten years - picks 14 though 60 = "x" all stars

+

Past ten years - picks 26 through 60 = "x" all stars

+

Past ten years picks 30 through 60 = "x" all stars.

You'd still likely be correct in your assumption but doing it this way is accurate.

Using picks 6-8 is rubbish.

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Re: Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall 

Post#45 » by MotownMadness » Mon Sep 7, 2020 6:44 am

Pharaoh wrote:
ByeByeDre wrote:Past ten years - picks 6-8 - thirty players, One All Star

Past ten years - picks 14, 26 and 30 - thirty players, Two All Stars

A team like the Celtics needs one more good basketball player to push them over the top.

A team like the Pistons needs a lot of good basketball players.
Skewing the data there though.

Should be:

Past ten years - pick 7 through 60 = "x" all stars

V

Past ten years - picks 14 though 60 = "x" all stars

+

Past ten years - picks 26 through 60 = "x" all stars

+

Past ten years picks 30 through 60 = "x" all stars.

You'd still likely be correct in your assumption but doing it this way is accurate.

Using picks 6-8 is rubbish.

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It's all irrelevant and completely different drafts with different players, team situations and different GMs.
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Re: Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall 

Post#46 » by Pharaoh » Mon Sep 7, 2020 10:52 am

MotownMadness wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
ByeByeDre wrote:Past ten years - picks 6-8 - thirty players, One All Star

Past ten years - picks 14, 26 and 30 - thirty players, Two All Stars

A team like the Celtics needs one more good basketball player to push them over the top.

A team like the Pistons needs a lot of good basketball players.
Skewing the data there though.

Should be:

Past ten years - pick 7 through 60 = "x" all stars

V

Past ten years - picks 14 though 60 = "x" all stars

+

Past ten years - picks 26 through 60 = "x" all stars

+

Past ten years picks 30 through 60 = "x" all stars.

You'd still likely be correct in your assumption but doing it this way is accurate.

Using picks 6-8 is rubbish.

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It's all irrelevant and completely different drafts with different players, team situations and different GMs.
Kinda my point and it's disingenuous to suggest 6-8 is the cut off because player development happens in certain situations and not others.

I've always believed those who state the draft is a "crap shoot" are full of it.

Some teams actually do a better job developing players they select - because they make choices based on mentality, drive, ambition.

You can any clown to shoot a ball or read a play - does he care enough to apply himself?

There's a long list of dudes drafted outside the top 10 who went on to have great careers.

FFS we're the franchise where Ben Wallace was the foundation stone!

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Re: Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall 

Post#47 » by ByeByeDre » Tue Sep 8, 2020 7:18 am

Thinking the Pistons are going to nail a hall of famer with pick 7 is pure rubbish. Case closed.
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Re: Trade #7 for #14, #26, #30 and Tacko Fall 

Post#48 » by ByeByeDre » Tue Sep 8, 2020 7:19 am

And based on that logic, bring in three first round talents and see who is worth it. My point is proven

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