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Pistons are not rebuilding. Plan to compete next year.

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Re: Pistons are not rebuilding. Plan to compete next year. 

Post#41 » by Pharaoh » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:42 am

440BB wrote:Cutting Drummond loose before he could exercise his option for next year was a great relief in itself. It's likely the step Stefanski needed to take to make Detroit more attractive to Weaver as well.

As much as they're using different descriptions of the near future, the action they took in hiring Weaver shows progress in the overall thinking about how to build a team. That Stefanski cleaned things up over two years with Weaver in mind is another sign of a better plan. I expect they'll say a lot of positive things while they wait to get out from under Blake's contract. With the delays in the draft and the new season all they can do at this point is talk.

It's the actions Weaver takes over the next two years building a foundation that matter.
I guess I'm just hopeful that THE reason Weaver came here this time is because Gores, Arn & Ed gave him enough rope to hang himself so speak instead of being bound to their own grand plan.

Weaver didn't come 2 years ago to fix the mess. He turned down that job. So maybe in his own mind he is actually here to "restore" this organisation, not rebuild it?

Cause truth be told Ed has done a damn good job while in charge:

Almost every contract we had on the books last season came from Ed, accept Blake and Luke (if memory serves)

Now we have a boatload of cap space, #7, Wood, Patton, Sekou, Svi, Brown, Rose, Blake, Luke...

And Casey did win COY before we got him!

Ed does deserve some credit for cleaning up the joint without dealing our future firsts and based on reports at the trade deadline he was actually looking to deal Luke and Rose for additional firsts.

Well played Ed - here's hoping Weaver can take his time building the roster the right way and that's why he came here this time around.

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Re: Pistons are not rebuilding. Plan to compete next year. 

Post#42 » by Billl » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:06 pm

Manocad wrote:
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Manocad wrote:Yeah, that's definitely the part that's "obvious" to me. They were 7-11 before Blake went out (38.9% WP) and 13-35 after he went out (37.1% WP). I'm not sure how anyone can justify that they're competing for jack diddly just because he's hypothetically healthy the whole season. A 38% WP is 31-51 over 82 games; I don't see where that puts the team in the "competing" conversation. More like the "treadmill" conversation.


Blake started the year hurt and then shut it down. He was never healthy. I doubt he's ever fully healthy for a full season, but we might well get 50 games out of a rested blake and have him performing at a very high level....before inevitably getting hurt again.

Sure, but even with Reggie and Dre the Pistons were 41-41 during arguably Blake's best season of his career.

I just consider the odds. The odds aren't with Blake having another generally injury-free all-world season, thus the odds the team could achieve just a .500 record aren't good.

As I've argued previously, if you consider a reasonable outcome for this team outside of players who get moved, there are no options available that would make this a 55+ win team. Not Van Vleet or anybody plus anybody else.


Oh, there is 0% chance we are good team. You don't actually need to be that good to mess up your draft position though. We were a dumpster fire all year and are still sitting at #7. Sub out RJ and Dre for Rose and Wood and I'm not sure that is a worse team than the one that squeaked into the playoffs.
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Re: Pistons are not rebuilding. Plan to compete next year. 

Post#43 » by Manocad » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:22 pm

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Oh, there is 0% chance we are good team. You don't actually need to be that good to mess up your draft position though. We were a dumpster fire all year and are still sitting at #7. Sub out RJ and Dre for Rose and Wood and I'm not sure that is a worse team than the one that squeaked into the playoffs.

I don't disagree, as long as Blake has a generally injury-free all-world season again. And the odds of that aren't very good IMO.

In any case, I still believe the indicator that the Pistons are trying to go for it, so to speak, would be a big money star FA PG signing plus one more solid player that fills a need (shooting SF?). And even then, I still don't think the team is at a championship level even if Blake and Rose play all-world and stay relatively healthy. That's still only four guys on the entire roster that you'd consider being at championship level for their positions.
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Re: Pistons are not rebuilding. Plan to compete next year. 

Post#44 » by thesack12 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:06 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
440BB wrote:Cutting Drummond loose before he could exercise his option for next year was a great relief in itself. It's likely the step Stefanski needed to take to make Detroit more attractive to Weaver as well.

As much as they're using different descriptions of the near future, the action they took in hiring Weaver shows progress in the overall thinking about how to build a team. That Stefanski cleaned things up over two years with Weaver in mind is another sign of a better plan. I expect they'll say a lot of positive things while they wait to get out from under Blake's contract. With the delays in the draft and the new season all they can do at this point is talk.

It's the actions Weaver takes over the next two years building a foundation that matter.
I guess I'm just hopeful that THE reason Weaver came here this time is because Gores, Arn & Ed gave him enough rope to hang himself so speak instead of being bound to their own grand plan.

Weaver didn't come 2 years ago to fix the mess. He turned down that job. So maybe in his own mind he is actually here to "restore" this organisation, not rebuild it?

Cause truth be told Ed has done a damn good job while in charge:

Almost every contract we had on the books last season came from Ed, accept Blake and Luke (if memory serves)

Now we have a boatload of cap space, #7, Wood, Patton, Sekou, Svi, Brown, Rose, Blake, Luke...

And Casey did win COY before we got him!

Ed does deserve some credit for cleaning up the joint without dealing our future firsts and based on reports at the trade deadline he was actually looking to deal Luke and Rose for additional firsts.

Well played Ed - here's hoping Weaver can take his time building the roster the right way and that's why he came here this time around.

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Per underlined part:

You keep mentioning this, but Detroit was denied permission by OKC to even talk to Weaver back then. Weaver didn't turn down anything from Detroit, the two sides never talked.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-detroit-pistons-agree-to-terms-with-troy-weaver-for-general-manager-role-141544135.html

They wanted to interview Weaver after Stan Van Gundy left the franchise following the 2017-18 season, but were denied permission.


So, there is nothing to try to read between the lines of his hiring regarding what his plan/vision will be or what his level of power within the organization is.
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Re: Pistons are not rebuilding. Plan to compete next year. 

Post#45 » by Pharaoh » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:31 pm

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Pharaoh wrote:
440BB wrote:Cutting Drummond loose before he could exercise his option for next year was a great relief in itself. It's likely the step Stefanski needed to take to make Detroit more attractive to Weaver as well.

As much as they're using different descriptions of the near future, the action they took in hiring Weaver shows progress in the overall thinking about how to build a team. That Stefanski cleaned things up over two years with Weaver in mind is another sign of a better plan. I expect they'll say a lot of positive things while they wait to get out from under Blake's contract. With the delays in the draft and the new season all they can do at this point is talk.

It's the actions Weaver takes over the next two years building a foundation that matter.
I guess I'm just hopeful that THE reason Weaver came here this time is because Gores, Arn & Ed gave him enough rope to hang himself so speak instead of being bound to their own grand plan.

Weaver didn't come 2 years ago to fix the mess. He turned down that job. So maybe in his own mind he is actually here to "restore" this organisation, not rebuild it?

Cause truth be told Ed has done a damn good job while in charge:

Almost every contract we had on the books last season came from Ed, accept Blake and Luke (if memory serves)

Now we have a boatload of cap space, #7, Wood, Patton, Sekou, Svi, Brown, Rose, Blake, Luke...

And Casey did win COY before we got him!

Ed does deserve some credit for cleaning up the joint without dealing our future firsts and based on reports at the trade deadline he was actually looking to deal Luke and Rose for additional firsts.

Well played Ed - here's hoping Weaver can take his time building the roster the right way and that's why he came here this time around.

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Per underlined part:

You keep mentioning this, but Detroit was denied permission by OKC to even talk to Weaver back then. Weaver didn't turn down anything from Detroit, the two sides never talked.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-detroit-pistons-agree-to-terms-with-troy-weaver-for-general-manager-role-141544135.html

They wanted to interview Weaver after Stan Van Gundy left the franchise following the 2017-18 season, but were denied permission.


So, there is nothing to try to read between the lines of his hiring regarding what his plan/vision will be or what his level of power within the organization is.
Disappointed. I read somewhere he turned it down

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