Derrick Rose is still All-Star Caliber and talks of trading him are laughable

[SergiuRoBuc]

Long time hoop fan / hooper here, no affiliations, no particular motivation for this topic other than frustration with regards to how little thought some people put into their articles or in cases of some GMs, running their teams.

I've seen Derrick Rose play a lot. Even after his injuries. I've seen him gain traction again in NY, seen him in Minny get his consistency back, and in about 25-30 games last season on League Pass, just straight up ballin. I just feel like bursting out laughing when I read topics about packaging him along with the no.7 pick for a higher pick, or trading him to the Lakers simply because they're the Lakers and gosh dang it, if the Lakers need additional scoring then smaller market teams will just line up to offer their best guys for two cents on the dollar.

Here's what I saw from D-Rose this past year alone. Except for LeBron and maybe Jimmy Butler, Rose is arguably the best player in the league at leaning into his defender while going to the rim, even more so now than at his peak, when he relied on athleticism alone. I'm not saying he's the best finisher, although he's still elite, but his ability to just read the defense and create whichever angle he wants no matter who's guarding him is top 5 at least. He just came off averaging 18 ppg and 5.6 apg in 26 mpg. 26 minutes per game. Those are the same numbers pretty much as Jamal Murray, except Murray needed 32 mpg. Same numbers as Hornets starlet Devonte Graham, who needed 35 mpg to get them.

Long story short, the Pistons have an all-star caliber scorer and shot creator at PG (arguably the most important position). Who..just who are they going to sign, trade for or draft that's going to give them 18 ppg in 26 mpg and simply score at will? Rose looks healthy to me. If Casey gave him 30-32 mpg, he'd be averaging 23-24 ppg, pretty much the numbers from his MVP year. What am I missing here? Just looking at the numbers and using the eye test, as in watching him play, from a basketball player's perspective, letting such an efficient asset go would be historically comical. Plus he's on a 2yr/$15 mil contract... guys putting up his numbers are making twice that.

Why is he being written off? I get the injuries, and even the stigma with his mental health issues after he came back in NY, but he's already been consistently good for the past two years. There's no reason he can't be a borderline all star for another 2-3 years by hovering around the 20 ppg mark and making smart plays as your no.1 offense generator.

[Pharaoh]

Long time hoop fan / hooper here, no affiliations, no particular motivation for this topic other than frustration with regards to how little thought some people put into their articles or in cases of some GMs, running their teams.

I've seen Derrick Rose play a lot. Even after his injuries. I've seen him gain traction again in NY, seen him in Minny get his consistency back, and in about 25-30 games last season on League Pass, just straight up ballin. I just feel like bursting out laughing when I read topics about packaging him along with the no.7 pick for a higher pick, or trading him to the Lakers simply because they're the Lakers and gosh dang it, if the Lakers need additional scoring then smaller market teams will just line up to offer their best guys for two cents on the dollar.

Here's what I saw from D-Rose this past year alone. Except for LeBron and maybe Jimmy Butler, Rose is arguably the best player in the league at leaning into his defender while going to the rim, even more so now than at his peak, when he relied on athleticism alone. I'm not saying he's the best finisher, although he's still elite, but his ability to just read the defense and create whichever angle he wants no matter who's guarding him is top 5 at least. He just came off averaging 18 ppg and 5.6 apg in 26 mpg. 26 minutes per game. Those are the same numbers pretty much as Jamal Murray, except Murray needed 32 mpg. Same numbers as Hornets starlet Devonte Graham, who needed 35 mpg to get them.

Long story short, the Pistons have an all-star caliber scorer and shot creator at PG (arguably the most important position). Who..just who are they going to sign, trade for or draft that's going to give them 18 ppg in 26 mpg and simply score at will? Rose looks healthy to me. If Casey gave him 30-32 mpg, he'd be averaging 23-24 ppg, pretty much the numbers from his MVP year. What am I missing here? Just looking at the numbers and using the eye test, as in watching him play, from a basketball player's perspective, letting such an efficient asset go would be historically comical. Plus he's on a 2yr/$15 mil contract... guys putting up his numbers are making twice that.

Why is he being written off? I get the injuries, and even the stigma with his mental health issues after he came back in NY, but he's already been consistently good for the past two years. There's no reason he can't be a borderline all star for another 2-3 years by hovering around the 20 ppg mark and making smart plays as your no.1 offense generator.

He's not being written off here.

It's simply asset management!

As a rebuilding team & given all you just said shouldn't we be looking to gain as much as we can from DRose?

For us that means picks & prospects that are (hopefully) going to be on the team when we're good again!

And by dealing Rose to the Lakers or another "good" team we actually are doing right by him - putting him in a position to win a title or at the very least play in important games while he's still in fine form.


Sent from my SM-A520F using RealGM mobile app

[MrBigShot]

Dude I love DRose but he's just wasting the rest of his career playing here. I'd literally rather see us give him away without much of a return so he can get a chance to compete on a contender than have him keep playing here for nothing.

[vic]

I kind of agree with the OP... but when you lose half the year to injuries every few years, it kind of takes your value down a little bit.

I really respect Rose though because he still knows he's good and he wants to stay here and compete because he knows he's like the best player on this team and he'd rather be on the court leading a team to victory than play an off the bench role for a contender.

You gotta respect his desire to compete and be great. He's still an MVP on the inside and he's an all-star level creator when he's healthy.

I wouldn't mind keeping him at all. Just make sure you draft Okoro or Pat Williams to develop next to him and get your new pg to take the reigns from him in 2021 or 2022.

But if I was offered an high 1st round pick for him I can't say I wouldn't give him up.

[bstein14]

He is still young enough he could get a really big contract next year. I wouldn't sleep on him preferring to be the guy here and score 22+ PPG and lead this team to the playoffs to try and land another $80 million 4 year deal.

[whitehops]

i don't think people want to trade him because they think he's trash, he's just an attractive asset given his low salary + production and would likely net us a (later?) first round pick. and that pick is more valuable to the team in the long run than rose dropping 20 PPG and us going 30-52 anyways.

[dVs33]

I really enjoy watching ros, but I think it's becausest for him and the team to part ways. He needs to join a team playing meaningful games and Detroit need to collect assets. I don't think pistons fans are eager to get rid of him, it's just not the right situation for rose and Detroit

[SergiuRoBuc]

I understand all these arguments but this is a professional franchise, not a charity. Unless the player demands a trade, there's no reason why a team should look to give away its players just so they have a chance to win somewhere else. And if it's asset management, then bottom out completely, like Philly did for multiple years. It should be easier now that there are no fans in the stands, to go for next year's no.1 pick. Otherwise, stay competitive.

Plus, there are so many good players available on the trade market right now that you can build a playoff team around, and I don't just mean Westbrook or guys who just became available. I mean Jrue Holiday, Tristan Thompson, Spencer Dinwiddie, Andre Drummond (ironically)... sure, you'd probably have to give up a future first rounder or two (especially for Holiday), but adding two of these guys to a core with Rose and Blake means automatic playoffs in the East.

[LaSheed]

I keep seeing people offering Kuzma/28th & McGee.

I want to trade him to see him win.

No complaints if he stays.

[440BB]

I understand all these arguments but this is a professional franchise, not a charity. Unless the player demands a trade, there's no reason why a team should look to give away its players just so they have a chance to win somewhere else. And if it's asset management, then bottom out completely, like Philly did for multiple years. It should be easier now that there are no fans in the stands, to go for next year's no.1 pick. Otherwise, stay competitive.

Plus, there are so many good players available on the trade market right now that you can build a playoff team around, and I don't just mean Westbrook or guys who just became available. I mean Jrue Holiday, Tristan Thompson, Spencer Dinwiddie, Andre Drummond (ironically)... sure, you'd probably have to give up a future first rounder or two (especially for Holiday), but adding two of these guys to a core with Rose and Blake means automatic playoffs in the East.

Piecing together a couple older players with young talent to "stay competitive" is the formula for long term mediocrity that's failed for years here. There are more options than scrambling a potential eight seed together or bottoming out like Philly. I wouldn't waste our cap space on a quick short term fix. Once we have a foundation of more talented young players we can add players to become winners for a few years.

Derrick Rose is here for one year. I will be happy for the team and Rose when he gets traded. He can be a difference maker for about 25 minutes a game for a more competitive team while we can end the season with some future asset(s), much better than nothing.

[Billl]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the reality is that Rose has been shopped for nearly a year now and not a single team was willing to part with even a mediocre 1st rounder for him. That's the ceiling on his current value.

And no, nobody should be interested in fielding a team of 30 something yr old player in an attempt to squeak into the playoffs. If you've got 30+ guys as your core, you better be competing for a championship or blowing it up. That middle treadmill level is the worst.

[NYPiston]

Rose is a fine player but the Pistons are rebuilding, he's aging and he's one of the few assets they have that can bring in a futures asset of any significance and by significance I mean late 1st at best which I'd take for Rose in a second.

I suppose you can keep him around as a mentor (never really thought of him as the mentor type though) but it's sort of a waste for the Pistons and Rose himself to keep him here the full season.

[thesack12]

Derrick Rose is 32 years old
Derrick Rose is on an expiring contract
Derrick Rose is highly injury prone
Derrick Rose is not known as a good mentor for young players

These are the reasons why you look to trade Derrick Rose for an asset. On an expiring contract he has little short term value, and no long term value for THIS team. Actually if you look at it objectively, he doesn't have any short term value here either in that he could help get a couple more W's, which doesn't help in the long term view of things.

You look to move him for a 1st rounder now, if you don't get bites you look to do the same as the season goes on. If he's still here at the trade deadline, and a 2nd rounder is the best offer you get for him You move him for that. There is absolutely no reason to let his contract expire here.

The only potential problem with playing the waiting game on trading him, is there is a good chance he gets hurt and becomes untradeable.

[Manocad]

Derrick Rose is 32 years old
Derrick Rose is on an expiring contract
Derrick Rose is highly injury prone
Derrick Rose is not known as a good mentor for young players

These are the reasons why you look to trade Derrick Rose for an asset. On an expiring contract he has little short term value, and no long term value for THIS team. Actually if you look at it objectively, he doesn't have any short term value here either in that he could help get a couple more W's, which doesn't help in the long term view of things.

You look to move him for a 1st rounder now, if you don't get bites you look to do the same as the season goes on. If he's still here at the trade deadline, and a 2nd rounder is the best offer you get for him You move him for that. There is absolutely no reason to let his contract expire here.

The only potential problem with playing the waiting game on trading him, is there is a good chance he gets hurt and becomes untradeable.

/thread

[Crymson]

Rose is not an all-star-caliber player. He's effective at getting to the rim, but not tremendously so. He's a poor perimeter shooter, and he can't play in any way that doesn't entail him dominating the ball. That's the price of having him on the floor: the offense can only run a certain way, and that's through him. That isn't preferable. The fact that he's a poor defender and almost certain to sustain a major injury every season also counts against him.

He's fun to watch, a hard worker, and by all recent accounts a good teammate, but were he a starting point guard he'd be somewhere in the middle of the pack. He's best suited as a bench flamethrower.

Where the Pistons are concerned, that very ball-dominant style makes him a poor fit for a team that will be attempting to bring up young players in a modern offense. Blake presents a similar issue.

[Laimbeer]

SergiuRoBuc
Ballboy
Posts: 2
And1: 0
Joined: Nov 11, 2020

[chrbal]

SergiuRoBuc
Ballboy
Posts: 2
And1: 0
Joined: Nov 11, 2020

What’s the point of this? He’s a newbie, I would think my early posts weren’t exactly prize worthy. It’s not a horrible topic.

[Invictus88]

SergiuRoBuc
Ballboy
Posts: 2
And1: 0
Joined: Nov 11, 2020

What’s the point of this? He’s a newbie, I would think my early posts weren’t exactly prize worthy. It’s not a horrible topic.

I just don't agree at all with the logic of the topic and the fact that it's meant to incite needlessly.

The first sentence of the OP is horribly ironic as he seems frustrated with regards to how little thought some people put into their articles... ...or running their teams.

Well, the rest of us are frustrated in how little thought you put into your post before blasting away??

Others have already posted what pretty much everyone except the OP seems to get: We are a rebuilding team. Rose doesn't have a long-term future here (or he really shouldn't) so the best we can do for our franchise is to trade him for a pick or a prospect. It has literally nothing to do with how he is playing / shouldn't be taken as an indication that his contributions aren't valued.

How hard is this to understand? I mean, are we getting trolled here?

[chrbal]

SergiuRoBuc
Ballboy
Posts: 2
And1: 0
Joined: Nov 11, 2020

What’s the point of this? He’s a newbie, I would think my early posts weren’t exactly prize worthy. It’s not a horrible topic.

I just don't agree at all with the logic of the topic and the fact that it's meant to incite needlessly.

The first sentence of the OP is horribly ironic as he seems frustrated with regards to how little thought some people put into their articles... ...or running their teams.

Well, the rest of us are frustrated in how little thought you put into your post before blasting away??

Others have already posted what pretty much everyone except the OP seems to get: We are a rebuilding team. Rose doesn't have a long-term future here (or he really shouldn't) so the best we can do for our franchise is to trade him for a pick or a prospect. It has literally nothing to do with how he is playing / shouldn't be taken as an indication that his contributions aren't valued.

How hard is this to understand? I mean, are we getting trolled here?

Far enough

[SamFlow]

I like Rose. I like his effect on the team. ---- However. He's older. Injury prone. Signed for one more year. And we have no chance of winning a title with him. --- If there was ever a player to trade for a first round pick... But I'm ok if we keep him.
...

If not hurt... we have a high end pg. a potential sg stud. still not much at sf. mvp candadite at pf. a potential all star at center. And some decent bench players.

But if blake is done, so are we.