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Manocad wrote:

chrbal wrote:

Manocad wrote:I'd say that would fit the bill

So in your scenario is Stewart trying to pants him?

I kind of figured they would both go for a rebound and a badly outplayed Drummond would pick a fight and Stewart would embarrass him.

I was thinking of the Dwight Howard incident

Nice, I forgot that even happened

tmorgan wrote:Yeah, I dunno that fact at all. Drummond thinks he has a bunch of skills he doesn’t actually have at the NBA level, and it leads to some really awful decision-mak8ng. Stewart, for now at least, plays within himself.

Yeah he doesn't really have much skill outside of elite rebounding. Even his passing was completely subpar in Cleveland, like he has the BBIQ sometimes for it, but his hands don't quite have enough skill to make it fluidly nor score

El Chivo wrote:

vege wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:
Jason Maxiell?

Maxiell was better offensively, his mid range jump was money, Stewart doesn't have that.

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Feelings hurt earlier - glad you’re doing well!

Snakebites wrote:

SamFlow wrote:Fact: Dre has more over all skill than Beef Stew. Fact: Beef Stew puts so much more effort into it that it doesn't matter.

Skill is debatable, tough to quantify.

Drummond is definitely far more physically gifted though.

Or is ability the correct word?

Some of the way he moved and got things done at certain times was damn... If he only did that consistently. He had moments. but his effort didnt match his ability. He should be doing what Joel Embild does. But with no heart and no effort and no dog in him, meh. He has that skill or ability, but he doesn't have it inside to do what he can.

El Chivo wrote:

vege wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:
Jason Maxiell?

Maxiell was better offensively, his mid range jump was money, Stewart doesn't have that.

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Lmfao

Han Solo wrote:

El Chivo wrote:

vege wrote:
Maxiell was better offensively, his mid range jump was money, Stewart doesn't have that.

Posts that did not age well.

Lmfao

Yeah that was some knock down, drag out analysis.

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DetroitSho wrote:

Han Solo wrote:

El Chivo wrote:
Posts that did not age well.

Lmfao

Yeah that was some knock down, drag out analysis.

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Careful now. Don't go hatin'.

Han Solo wrote:

El Chivo wrote:

vege wrote:
Maxiell was better offensively, his mid range jump was money, Stewart doesn't have that.

Posts that did not age well.

Lmfao

Yeah!!!!

SamFlow wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

SamFlow wrote:Fact: Dre has more over all skill than Beef Stew. Fact: Beef Stew puts so much more effort into it that it doesn't matter.

Skill is debatable, tough to quantify.

Drummond is definitely far more physically gifted though.

Or is ability the correct word?

Some of the way he moved and got things done at certain times was damn... If he only did that consistently. He had moments. but his effort didnt match his ability. He should be doing what Joel Embild does. But with no heart and no effort and no dog in him, meh. He has that skill or ability, but he doesn't have it inside to do what he can.

If you are comparing Stewart to Drummond, the latter is just bigger. The former has more coordination, more desire, and more intellect. It's true that you can't teach size but as we've seen you can't really teach Dre...anything really.

Whether it's because of gaining a few pounds, lack of drive, etc, Drummond in his last years as a piston didn't seem as athletically gifted as his first years. He was never, ever in the same league as Embiid from a coordination / finesse standpoint. Embiid makes Drummond look like Kwame Brown in that area.

Man, Drummond would have been the next Shaq if he had Stewart's work ethic. Had all the physical gifts, just never hit the gym like Stewart and didn't work on his game like Stewart.

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DET_Athletics wrote:Man, Drummond would have been the next Shaq if he had Stewart's work ethic. Had all the physical gifts, just never hit the gym like Stewart and didn't work on his game like Stewart.

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Plus as he's demonstrated, he doesn't really have a ton of talent offensively. Just great athleticism for a guy his size.

Manocad wrote:

DET_Athletics wrote:Man, Drummond would have been the next Shaq if he had Stewart's work ethic. Had all the physical gifts, just never hit the gym like Stewart and didn't work on his game like Stewart.

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Plus as he's demonstrated, he doesn't really have a ton of talent offensively. Just great athleticism for a guy his size.

Take away shaqs size and he wasn't all that skilled. Pound for pound, not good.

Imagine how good he would have been with Rodmans talent. Imagine how good rodman would have been at 7 foot, or ben wallace..... imagine if Isiah Thomas would have been jordans size. Pound for pound, Isiah Thomas was better than Jordan.

When Stewart was drafted I was thinking C- pick. Now that we've seen him play and grow, he's a solid B+, possibly A- if he keeps developing his jumper.

Shaq was actually very skilled. Post footwork, hands, passing vision, lots of things. His timing on shot blocking wasn’t elite, and he obviously had weight problems as he got older, but I definitely think of him as highly skilled AND physically dominant. He is an all-time great, after all.

Someone wake me up when he manage to grab a pass. His hands are Kwame Brown level of bad. I still love his energy and work ethic, once he start shooting 35-36% from 3 he will be a nice energy big off the bench. Like Maxiell