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Pharaoh wrote:

Snakebites wrote:Free agency just started and we're a month away from the REGULAR season starting. That's insane...

The offseason just started in a lot of ways, but it's also almost over.

No surprise that Weaver "attacked" all things the way he did though.

Nuke this bitch, get young, long, athletic players, give them a select few mentors that won't actually win you games on their own and race to a top 5 pick

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vege wrote:This is a very good video on Jerami Grant.

Watch on YouTube

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thesack12 wrote:

vege wrote:This is a very good video on Jerami Grant.

Watch on YouTube

;list=TLPQMjQxMTIwMjBqiiC7DZsb5A&index=2

Thanks for posting. These are the quotes that stuck out most to me personally:

"Dribbling is something he doesn't do a lot of"
"He struggles as a self creator"
"Grant is mostly a role player".... "Role needs to be kept simple"
"Advanced defensive metrics didn't like him at all"
"Grant, who is a power forward, ranked 14th on his own team in defensive rebounding rate"
"Career worst, 4.9 RBG per 36 minutes"

The vast majority of the positive talk was centered around on ball defense, defensive versatility, and how he is well suited to be a complimentary piece on a playoff team.

Nothing in the video, made me think he is worth $20 mil on a rebuilding team devoid of playmaking.

thesack12 wrote:

vege wrote:This is a very good video on Jerami Grant.

Watch on YouTube

;list=TLPQMjQxMTIwMjBqiiC7DZsb5A&index=2

Thanks for posting. These are the quotes that stuck out most to me personally:

"Dribbling is something he doesn't do a lot of"
"He struggles as a self creator"
"Grant is mostly a role player".... "Role needs to be kept simple"
"Advanced defensive metrics didn't like him at all"
"Grant, who is a power forward, ranked 14th on his own team in defensive rebounding rate"
"Career worst, 4.9 RBG per 36 minutes"

The vast majority of the positive talk was centered around on ball defense, defensive versatility, and how he is well suited to be a complimentary piece on a playoff team.

Nothing in the video, made me think he is worth $20 mil on a rebuilding team devoid of playmaking.

thesack12 wrote:

vege wrote:This is a very good video on Jerami Grant.

Watch on YouTube

;list=TLPQMjQxMTIwMjBqiiC7DZsb5A&index=2

Thanks for posting. These are the quotes that stuck out most to me personally:

"Dribbling is something he doesn't do a lot of"
"He struggles as a self creator"
"Grant is mostly a role player".... "Role needs to be kept simple"
"Advanced defensive metrics didn't like him at all"
"Grant, who is a power forward, ranked 14th on his own team in defensive rebounding rate"
"Career worst, 4.9 RBG per 36 minutes"

The vast majority of the positive talk was centered around on ball defense, defensive versatility, and how he is well suited to be a complimentary piece on a playoff team.

Nothing in the video, made me think he is worth $20 mil on a rebuilding team devoid of playmaking.

zeebneeb wrote:

thesack12 wrote:

vege wrote:This is a very good video on Jerami Grant.

Watch on YouTube

;list=TLPQMjQxMTIwMjBqiiC7DZsb5A&index=2

Thanks for posting. These are the quotes that stuck out most to me personally:

"Dribbling is something he doesn't do a lot of"
"He struggles as a self creator"
"Grant is mostly a role player".... "Role needs to be kept simple"
"Advanced defensive metrics didn't like him at all"
"Grant, who is a power forward, ranked 14th on his own team in defensive rebounding rate"
"Career worst, 4.9 RBG per 36 minutes"

The vast majority of the positive talk was centered around on ball defense, defensive versatility, and how he is well suited to be a complimentary piece on a playoff team.

Nothing in the video, made me think he is worth $20 mil on a rebuilding team devoid of playmaking.

Hayes would like to have a discussion about your "void of playmakers" comment. Also a healthy Blake.

The Penguin wrote:The Warriors got Oubre for a 1st that's relatively unlikely to convey. He's 2 years younger than Grant and simply a better player.

Weaver got treated like the guy new to your fantasy league who posts on the message board "hi everyone, new here, but I like to make trades so let's do some deals". Paying Denver to create a TPE? All the 2nds going to the Clippers for some reason? Essentially trading Wood & a future 1st for 16 and a contract he clearly didn't want? The "brilliance" of stretching Dedmon?

I will fully admit to not being up on the salary tables like I used to be, but it sure seems like we could have kept Dedmon, passed on Plumlee, trading a protected pick for Oubre, passed on Grant, been the same level of fake competitive, kept the future cap space wide open and been sitting on a couple large expiring contracts if a team gets desperate to include picks to move some money.

vege wrote:

thesack12 wrote:

vege wrote:This is a very good video on Jerami Grant.

Watch on YouTube

;list=TLPQMjQxMTIwMjBqiiC7DZsb5A&index=2

Thanks for posting. These are the quotes that stuck out most to me personally:

"Dribbling is something he doesn't do a lot of"
"He struggles as a self creator"
"Grant is mostly a role player".... "Role needs to be kept simple"
"Advanced defensive metrics didn't like him at all"
"Grant, who is a power forward, ranked 14th on his own team in defensive rebounding rate"
"Career worst, 4.9 RBG per 36 minutes"

The vast majority of the positive talk was centered around on ball defense, defensive versatility, and how he is well suited to be a complimentary piece on a playoff team.

Nothing in the video, made me think he is worth $20 mil on a rebuilding team devoid of playmaking.

The 2 things that surprised me are how bad he is at defensive rebounding and that he was very good as a small ball center. He is a 4/5 not a 3 like most people around here think.

The Penguin wrote:The Warriors got Oubre for a 1st that's relatively unlikely to convey. He's 2 years younger than Grant and simply a better player.

Weaver got treated like the guy new to your fantasy league who posts on the message board "hi everyone, new here, but I like to make trades so let's do some deals". Paying Denver to create a TPE? All the 2nds going to the Clippers for some reason? Essentially trading Wood & a future 1st for 16 and a contract he clearly didn't want? The "brilliance" of stretching Dedmon?

I will fully admit to not being up on the salary tables like I used to be, but it sure seems like we could have kept Dedmon, passed on Plumlee, trading a protected pick for Oubre, passed on Grant, been the same level of fake competitive, kept the future cap space wide open and been sitting on a couple large expiring contracts if a team gets desperate to include picks to move some money.

The Penguin wrote:The Warriors got Oubre for a 1st that's relatively unlikely to convey. He's 2 years younger than Grant and simply a better player.

Weaver got treated like the guy new to your fantasy league who posts on the message board "hi everyone, new here, but I like to make trades so let's do some deals". Paying Denver to create a TPE? All the 2nds going to the Clippers for some reason? Essentially trading Wood & a future 1st for 16 and a contract he clearly didn't want? The "brilliance" of stretching Dedmon?

I will fully admit to not being up on the salary tables like I used to be, but it sure seems like we could have kept Dedmon, passed on Plumlee, trading a protected pick for Oubre, passed on Grant, been the same level of fake competitive, kept the future cap space wide open and been sitting on a couple large expiring contracts if a team gets desperate to include picks to move some money.

Snakebites wrote:Man, I’m tired of talking about this already.

At least the actual season starts soon and we’ll have actual games to talk about. There’s only so many times you can pour over these arguments about contracts.

Kilo wrote:

The Penguin wrote:The Warriors got Oubre for a 1st that's relatively unlikely to convey. He's 2 years younger than Grant and simply a better player.

Weaver got treated like the guy new to your fantasy league who posts on the message board "hi everyone, new here, but I like to make trades so let's do some deals". Paying Denver to create a TPE? All the 2nds going to the Clippers for some reason? Essentially trading Wood & a future 1st for 16 and a contract he clearly didn't want? The "brilliance" of stretching Dedmon?

I will fully admit to not being up on the salary tables like I used to be, but it sure seems like we could have kept Dedmon, passed on Plumlee, trading a protected pick for Oubre, passed on Grant, been the same level of fake competitive, kept the future cap space wide open and been sitting on a couple large expiring contracts if a team gets desperate to include picks to move some money.

This is a stretch. Wood signed with Houston as a UFA with their cap space and was retcon included in the trade. Houston trade was taking on a bad contract to get the #16 - exactly the move folks have clamored for around here. Use the cap space to buy picks.

Pharaoh wrote:Obvious benefit about the Grant (& Wood) sign and trades...

Both guys get the larger % increases in their deals.

Signing them outright = 5% raises.

Signing with their own teams = 8% raises

Means a lower first year salary for both

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1. Players can only get full maximum salary contracts (five years, 8% annual raises) if they remain with their previous team.

Under old versions of the NBA’s CBA, a sign-and-trade deal allowed a player to sign for the true max – in terms of total years and annual raises – even though he wasn’t remaining with his previous team. That’s no longer the case.

If, for instance, the Celtics were to sign-and-trade Kyrie Irving to another club this summer, he wouldn’t be able to receive the five years or 8% annual raises that he would if he re-signed with Boston — he’d still be eligible for the same starting salary, but would be limited to four years and 5% raises, reducing the overall value of his max contract by nearly $50MM, based on current cap projections.

thesack12 wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:Obvious benefit about the Grant (& Wood) sign and trades...

Both guys get the larger % increases in their deals.

Signing them outright = 5% raises.

Signing with their own teams = 8% raises

Means a lower first year salary for both

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https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare-2.html

1. Players can only get full maximum salary contracts (five years, 8% annual raises) if they remain with their previous team.

Under old versions of the NBA’s CBA, a sign-and-trade deal allowed a player to sign for the true max – in terms of total years and annual raises – even though he wasn’t remaining with his previous team. That’s no longer the case.

If, for instance, the Celtics were to sign-and-trade Kyrie Irving to another club this summer, he wouldn’t be able to receive the five years or 8% annual raises that he would if he re-signed with Boston — he’d still be eligible for the same starting salary, but would be limited to four years and 5% raises, reducing the overall value of his max contract by nearly $50MM, based on current cap projections.