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ByeByeDre wrote:the people who are spinning it into what they personally want are morons.

ElectricMayhem wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:the people who are spinning it into what they personally want are morons.

The most heinous, vile creatures on Earth!

Snakebites wrote:Casey wants top 10. He wants to win as many games as possible. He’s...not great at it. He is only as concerned with playing or developing guys as he’s forced to be.

Weaver is harder to read. Best I can guess is that he wants it both ways- develop youth while also winning games. Trouble is, you need better talent than we have to win games, and far better talent to win games WHILE developing guys. It’s the only way I can rationalize going all in on the draft while also investing long term in vets and using all our cap space, even going so far as to acquire guys to stretch.

It’s not impossible to have that model, the Heat won games and even reached the finals while developing guys like Herro and Nunn along with relative newcomers like Robinson, but that example proves my point- you need vastly more talent than we’ve got to make that sort of setup work.

He appears to believe action is always superior to inaction. Which has merit when you’re at the bottom, but so far the moves themselves aren’t working out apart from Grant.

TLDR: I put that both want winning, but it’s tricky.

ByeByeDre wrote:Yeah my question is very simple - the people who are spinning it into what they personally want are morons.

ByeByeDre wrote:

Snakebites wrote:Casey wants top 10. He wants to win as many games as possible. He’s...not great at it. He is only as concerned with playing or developing guys as he’s forced to be.

Weaver is harder to read. Best I can guess is that he wants it both ways- develop youth while also winning games. Trouble is, you need better talent than we have to win games, and far better talent to win games WHILE developing guys. It’s the only way I can rationalize going all in on the draft while also investing long term in vets and using all our cap space, even going so far as to acquire guys to stretch.

It’s not impossible to have that model, the Heat won games and even reached the finals while developing guys like Herro and Nunn along with relative newcomers like Robinson, but that example proves my point- you need vastly more talent than we’ve got to make that sort of setup work.

He appears to believe action is always superior to inaction. Which has merit when you’re at the bottom, but so far the moves themselves aren’t working out apart from Grant.

TLDR: I put that both want winning, but it’s tricky.

Good read. I put that both are going for it as well. To me, it’s pretty obvious that Weaver wants to win. Simply follow the money. We’ve gone from having $35 million in cap space to having two stretched players and $106 million committed FOR NEXT SEASON! Not to mention what has happened to any and all picks. No rebuilding team in their right mind would operate this way. Move after move screams retooling, the good ones as well as the bad ones.

Now, one nice thing for Weaver’s career path is that he has outs, and others to blame. It will be easy for him to pivot after eventually firing Casey. It will be easy for him to pivot after next season, when a lot of the $106 million comes off the books. Heck, in three years too, when Grant and Plum expire. Many chances to change the narrative, and keep his reign alive.......

Pharaoh wrote:Do you really hate our GM that much?

ByeByeDre wrote:

Snakebites wrote:Casey wants top 10. He wants to win as many games as possible. He’s...not great at it. He is only as concerned with playing or developing guys as he’s forced to be.

Weaver is harder to read. Best I can guess is that he wants it both ways- develop youth while also winning games. Trouble is, you need better talent than we have to win games, and far better talent to win games WHILE developing guys. It’s the only way I can rationalize going all in on the draft while also investing long term in vets and using all our cap space, even going so far as to acquire guys to stretch.

It’s not impossible to have that model, the Heat won games and even reached the finals while developing guys like Herro and Nunn along with relative newcomers like Robinson, but that example proves my point- you need vastly more talent than we’ve got to make that sort of setup work.

He appears to believe action is always superior to inaction. Which has merit when you’re at the bottom, but so far the moves themselves aren’t working out apart from Grant.

TLDR: I put that both want winning, but it’s tricky.

Good read. I put that both are going for it as well. To me, it’s pretty obvious that Weaver wants to win. Simply follow the money. We’ve gone from having $35 million in cap space to having two stretched players and $106 million committed FOR NEXT SEASON! Not to mention what has happened to any and all picks. No rebuilding team in their right mind would operate this way. Move after move screams retooling, the good ones as well as the bad ones.

Now, one nice thing for Weaver’s career path is that he has outs, and others to blame. It will be easy for him to pivot after eventually firing Casey. It will be easy for him to pivot after next season, when a lot of the $106 million comes off the books. Heck, in three years too, when Grant and Plum expire. Many chances to change the narrative, and keep his reign alive.......

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Manocad wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:Yeah my question is very simple - the people who are spinning it into what they personally want are morons.

And people who claim to know what Weaver and Casey want are smart

DetroitSho wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:Do you really hate our GM that much?

ByeByeDre wrote:
Good read. I put that both are going for it as well. To me, it’s pretty obvious that Weaver wants to win. Simply follow the money. We’ve gone from having $35 million in cap space to having two stretched players and $106 million committed FOR NEXT SEASON! Not to mention what has happened to any and all picks. No rebuilding team in their right mind would operate this way. Move after move screams retooling, the good ones as well as the bad ones.

Now, one nice thing for Weaver’s career path is that he has outs, and others to blame. It will be easy for him to pivot after eventually firing Casey. It will be easy for him to pivot after next season, when a lot of the $106 million comes off the books. Heck, in three years too, when Grant and Plum expire. Many chances to change the narrative, and keep his reign alive.......

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I'm completely baffled at the amount of vitriol from certain people that has gone against Weaver in such a short period of time. At this point this can't JUST be about basketball.

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