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vege wrote:You guys know DSJr is a 65% career FT shooter and 45% TS right? I didn't bother to check but I wouldn't be surprise if that's the lowest among guards in the league.
Billl wrote:vege wrote:You guys know DSJr is a 65% career FT shooter and 45% TS right? I didn't bother to check but I wouldn't be surprise if that's the lowest among guards in the league.
Ben simmons is at 59%.
DSJ was at 69% in dallas, which is still bad. He was shooting 34% from 3 before the trade . He just fell off a cliff in NYC.
He's a fantastic athlete that needs a ton of work on his shot. We'll see if he's willing to put that work in.
Billl wrote:vege wrote:You guys know DSJr is a 65% career FT shooter and 45% TS right? I didn't bother to check but I wouldn't be surprise if that's the lowest among guards in the league.
Ben simmons is at 59%.
DSJ was at 69% in dallas, which is still bad. He was shooting 34% from 3 before the trade . He just fell off a cliff in NYC.
He's a fantastic athlete that needs a ton of work on his shot. We'll see if he's willing to put that work in.
King Bugs wrote:I hope Dennis does something, since China seems to be in his near future.
It's not like Dallas and New York didn't give him opportunities... they did, he was gifted starting spots at the 1. He's just been a really bad player. Doesn't distribute well, doesn't run an offense well, and turnovers are high considering how low his assists are. His inefficiency is nuts, Dennis shoots poorly from just about everywhere. He shoots like a center at the free throw line, never shooting higher than 69% for a season (he's a freaking point guard!).
So anything positive from him is a win... but yeah, he's pretty awful. Should be great for the tank though.
vege wrote:You guys know DSJr is a 65% career FT shooter and 45% TS right? I didn't bother to check but I wouldn't be surprise if that's the lowest among guards in the league.
flow wrote:Billl wrote:vege wrote:You guys know DSJr is a 65% career FT shooter and 45% TS right? I didn't bother to check but I wouldn't be surprise if that's the lowest among guards in the league.
Ben simmons is at 59%.
DSJ was at 69% in dallas, which is still bad. He was shooting 34% from 3 before the trade . He just fell off a cliff in NYC.
He's a fantastic athlete that needs a ton of work on his shot. We'll see if he's willing to put that work in.
Scoring is secondary in Simmons' game. It's all DSJ has to offer. He's RJ without the average jumper. His game is driving to the rim and finishing, and his % is still that low.
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Billl wrote:flow wrote:Billl wrote:
Ben simmons is at 59%.
DSJ was at 69% in dallas, which is still bad. He was shooting 34% from 3 before the trade . He just fell off a cliff in NYC.
He's a fantastic athlete that needs a ton of work on his shot. We'll see if he's willing to put that work in.
Scoring is secondary in Simmons' game. It's all DSJ has to offer. He's RJ without the average jumper. His game is driving to the rim and finishing, and his % is still that low.
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You got me. Ben simmons is a better player than DSJ.
There is a reason we are getting him as basically a throwin. He's a slashing guard in a league currently dominated by 3 point shooting. If he doesn't improve his jumper, he'll be out of the league in short order. He's got the athleticism though, so we'll see if he's willing to put in the work it takes to be a respectable shooter. 34% from 3 is not good, but it's not a horrible starting spot. For scale, RJ started out at 21% from deep as a rookie.
johanliebert wrote:vege wrote:You guys know DSJr is a 65% career FT shooter and 45% TS right? I didn't bother to check but I wouldn't be surprise if that's the lowest among guards in the league.
You don’t have big enough of a sample size for these claims. Kid’s 22 now with an opportunity let’s see what he’s got. I think he’s worked a lot on his jumper and will surprise some people.
flow wrote:Billl wrote:flow wrote:
Scoring is secondary in Simmons' game. It's all DSJ has to offer. He's RJ without the average jumper. His game is driving to the rim and finishing, and his % is still that low.
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You got me. Ben simmons is a better player than DSJ.
There is a reason we are getting him as basically a throwin. He's a slashing guard in a league currently dominated by 3 point shooting. If he doesn't improve his jumper, he'll be out of the league in short order. He's got the athleticism though, so we'll see if he's willing to put in the work it takes to be a respectable shooter. 34% from 3 is not good, but it's not a horrible starting spot. For scale, RJ started out at 21% from deep as a rookie.
You're the one who offered the Simmons comparison, not me. My point is simply that 59% shooting is tolerable from a guy who does everything else as well as Simmons does. But DSJ does none of those things.
Even if he doesn't improve his jumper, his % will increase if he improves his finishing. He's a slashing guard who gets to the rim but has trouble finishing.
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Snakebites wrote:If this guy was any good, they wouldn't have attached an extra asset to him to get a virtually spent Derrick Rose.
I might be wrong but isn't it mathematically impossible to have the 3rd worst record and end up with the 7th pick? Don't you think you might be off a bit?zeebneeb wrote:This is what I've been screaming. I see a bunch of people saying "The odds are the same if you have amongst the worst record in the league..."Kilo wrote:New Tank Commander to keep Casey from running out Rose and Wright. DSJ can't shoot and can't get to the line. Rose probably would have led to 3-4 more wins the ROS so this is the right move. Pistons need to finish dead last to guarantee themselves at worst #5 pick.
No, they are not. In a draft like this, you have to make certain you not only get the highest pick you can, but also make certain you can only get as low as the #5 pick. That is the most important part of this whole tank. The Pistons where slotted at the 3rd worst record last year and landed their worst possible pick, the #7. Screw that happening again.
This team has to have the worst record so any bad luck can be mitigated as much as possible.
MotownMadness wrote:Snakebites wrote:If this guy was any good, they wouldn't have attached an extra asset to him to get a virtually spent Derrick Rose.
Well he makes as much as Rose who is better and hasn't accomplished anything yet so they better attach something
DetroitSho wrote:I might be wrong but isn't it mathematically impossible to have the 3rd worst record and end up with the 7th pick? Don't you think you might be off a bit?zeebneeb wrote:This is what I've been screaming. I see a bunch of people saying "The odds are the same if you have amongst the worst record in the league..."Kilo wrote:New Tank Commander to keep Casey from running out Rose and Wright. DSJ can't shoot and can't get to the line. Rose probably would have led to 3-4 more wins the ROS so this is the right move. Pistons need to finish dead last to guarantee themselves at worst #5 pick.
No, they are not. In a draft like this, you have to make certain you not only get the highest pick you can, but also make certain you can only get as low as the #5 pick. That is the most important part of this whole tank. The Pistons where slotted at the 3rd worst record last year and landed their worst possible pick, the #7. Screw that happening again.
This team has to have the worst record so any bad luck can be mitigated as much as possible.
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Snakebites wrote:MotownMadness wrote:Snakebites wrote:If this guy was any good, they wouldn't have attached an extra asset to him to get a virtually spent Derrick Rose.
Well he makes as much as Rose who is better and hasn't accomplished anything yet so they better attach something
My point was that if he were a good young player he’d have more value than Rose.
