Piston/GS trade idea

[Shooter1]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/03/11/nba-rumors-detroit-pistons-golden-warriors-warriors-trade-jerami-grant/2/

Detroit Pistons Receive: Andrew Wiggins, Jordan Poole, 2021 1st Round Pick (via MIN), 2026 1st Round Pick (Top 3 Protected)

Golden State Receive: Jerami Grant, Delon Wright


Minn 1st is top 3 protected. But if it fell to 4 and Piston get a top 3...... This is the best offer so far. Wiggins can then be traded for another #1.

[mattao313]

Thats a easy yes for me cant see GS doing it.

[thesack12]

Umm, yes please.

Where do I sign?

[zeebneeb]

Thats a easy yes for me cant see GS doing it.

This is actually a good trade for GS, and ill bet they proposed it. Grant is a dynamic player that as a PF/SF averages over a block a game, can shoot the three, get to the rim,, and draw fouls.. He would fit in there like a damn glove.

This is actually a good trade for both teams. GS wants to extend their run, and Detroit wants to nab high end 1st round picks. Win win for both teams. In the end, its iffy for Detroit as what are the odds that the team lands a player as good as Grant?

[Kilo]

How about a link to the source of this "rumor"...

[guldakot]

unfortunately he's probably referencing this ,its a site that focuses on what potential trades could look like, not verified rumors.
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/03/11/nba-rumors-detroit-pistons-golden-warriors-warriors-trade-jerami-grant/2/

[bstein14]

That 2021 first round pick is top 3 protected. That's the real question in this deal. Do you risk it not being relayed this year and Minny potentially being much better next year if they get another top 3 pick. One of these years they will finally put it all together with all the young talent they have. They've got to eventually.

That Minny pick is IMO worth more than 3 Boston picks in 21, 23, and 25.

[DetroitSho]

That 2021 first round pick is top 3 protected. That's the real question in this deal. Do you risk it not being relayed this year and Minny potentially being much better next year if they get another top 3 pick. One of these years they will finally put it all together with all the young talent they have. They've got to eventually.

That Minny pick is IMO worth more than 3 Boston picks in 21, 23, and 25.

How many times will it take before Minny puts it together? It ain't happening next year either.

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[Snakebites]

Title/OP edited for accuracy and to include the link.

[Shooter1]

Title/OP edited for accuracy and to include the link.

Thanks Snake

[Pharaoh]

I'd take this deal.

Minnesota ain't getting it together any time soon regardless of coach or GM so if the pick doesn't convey this year it will in 2022.

Not sure we'd be able to flip Wiggins for a first - still gotta match salaries - but he's been better than I expected in GS so who knows, maybe he's not as bad as people think?

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[Kilo]

GSW could get Beal for that package.

But there is a ~40% chance the pick doesn't convey this season, so that is a helluva gamble. It comes down to GSW wanting to contend this season or not to move the Minnesota pick. It goes up in value after the lottery if Minnesota pick ends up 4th or 5th, but it crashes if they end up in the top three and it's bumped to 2022. If they hold on and it's 4/5 this year they can get an elite player and with Klay coming back could be a favorite again next season. But if they keep it and Minnesota wins the lotto to add a top 3 player to KAT, DAR, Edwards then the pick is late lotto and GSW's window probably closes as they couldn't get a good enough return for it.

Warriors best play I think it to trade it now for the 80% of it's peak worth and get a top player at a position of need than hold on to it and gamble that it's not conveyed this year.

It would be unprotected next year IIRC, but only would be an 11.7 chance of moving up to top 4 and 2.5% chance at #1 OA from the 10th pick spot (late lotto). Right now it's a 6 in 10 chance at 4/5, next year it's a 1 in 10 chance for 1-4.

Gun to my head I do it as the Pistons and don't think it's out of the realm for GSW to consider as Grant is a killer fit there now and going forward. I think you'd have to be okay with it being Wiggins and #10 OA in 2022 for Grant and if that's good enough return for the lotto ticket it could be Wiggins and 60% @ #4/5 this year or Wiggins and 10% @ #1-4 next year.

[MotownMadness]

Even if that pick doesn't convey this year it's unprotected next year where we'll get it. I do this trade easily.

[DetroitSho]

GSW could get Beal for that package.

But there is a ~40% chance the pick doesn't convey this season, so that is a helluva gamble. It comes down to GSW wanting to contend this season or not to move the Minnesota pick. It goes up in value after the lottery if Minnesota pick ends up 4th or 5th, but it crashes if they end up in the top three and it's bumped to 2022. If they hold on and it's 4/5 this year they can get an elite player and with Klay coming back could be a favorite again next season. But if they keep it and Minnesota wins the lotto to add a top 3 player to KAT, DAR, Edwards then the pick is late lotto and GSW's window probably closes as they couldn't get a good enough return for it.

Warriors best play I think it to trade it now for the 80% of it's peak worth and get a top player at a position of need than hold on to it and gamble that it's not conveyed this year.

It would be unprotected next year IIRC, but only would be an 11.7 chance of moving up to top 4 and 2.5% chance at #1 OA from the 10th pick spot (late lotto). Right now it's a 6 in 10 chance at 4/5, next year it's a 1 in 10 chance for 1-4.

Gun to my head I do it as the Pistons and don't think it's out of the realm for GSW to consider as Grant is a killer fit there now and going forward. I think you'd have to be okay with it being Wiggins and #10 OA in 2022 for Grant and if that's good enough return for the lotto ticket it could be Wiggins and 60% @ #4/5 this year or Wiggins and 10% @ #1-4 next year.

There's nothing that suggests to me that Minny would be drafting anywhere outta the top 5 next year too.

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[bstein14]

GSW could get Beal for that package.

But there is a ~40% chance the pick doesn't convey this season, so that is a helluva gamble. It comes down to GSW wanting to contend this season or not to move the Minnesota pick. It goes up in value after the lottery if Minnesota pick ends up 4th or 5th, but it crashes if they end up in the top three and it's bumped to 2022. If they hold on and it's 4/5 this year they can get an elite player and with Klay coming back could be a favorite again next season. But if they keep it and Minnesota wins the lotto to add a top 3 player to KAT, DAR, Edwards then the pick is late lotto and GSW's window probably closes as they couldn't get a good enough return for it.

Warriors best play I think it to trade it now for the 80% of it's peak worth and get a top player at a position of need than hold on to it and gamble that it's not conveyed this year.

It would be unprotected next year IIRC, but only would be an 11.7 chance of moving up to top 4 and 2.5% chance at #1 OA from the 10th pick spot (late lotto). Right now it's a 6 in 10 chance at 4/5, next year it's a 1 in 10 chance for 1-4.

Gun to my head I do it as the Pistons and don't think it's out of the realm for GSW to consider as Grant is a killer fit there now and going forward. I think you'd have to be okay with it being Wiggins and #10 OA in 2022 for Grant and if that's good enough return for the lotto ticket it could be Wiggins and 60% @ #4/5 this year or Wiggins and 10% @ #1-4 next year.

There's nothing that suggests to me that Minny would be drafting anywhere outta the top 5 next year too.

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To be in the top 5 you have to be the worst team in the league, or get lucky with lottery balls.

They could finish 5th worst and draft 7th or 8th with how the new lottery system works.

They are far from being a guaranteed 5th worst team next year. I agree they aren't a playoff team, but its far from a lock of being a top 5 pick next year.

[ducler]

If the pick stays with the Wolves this year, no problem, that's increases our chances at Emoni Bates next year.

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[Manocad]

Pure fluff article. There was no rumor or source ever mentioned other than in the headline. And the article clearly reads like the writer is playing some "What if?" games. Would I do it? Absolutely. I like Grant a whole lot but having two first round picks in this draft with another two first rounders in five years (assuming they don't get moved in a trade) is a pretty big deal.

[Canadafan]

If the pick stays with the Wolves this year, no problem, that's increases our chances at Emoni Bates next year.

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Ya we need to talk Warriors into this. They would be great this year and even better next with Steph Klay Oubre Grant Green with Wiseman still. Let's give them all our vets for Previous mentioned package and Wiseman lmao

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjr4xzzu

[tmorgan]

I was on an idea like this a month or two ago in the trade forum. GSW fans seemed amenable, but i didn’t include Wiggins, who they actually seem to like. Still, it’s a lot of salary moving forward, so they’d have to consider getting out of his deal if they have Grant.

I’d definitely do it. Grant is a very good player, but trading someone at peak value is usually smart. That’s about where he is — playing well on both ends, volume scoring, signed for the playoff run plus two years at an under market deal. The only way that Minny pick isn’t a top prospect is if they get top 3 (55%) and improve greatly next season, which i don’t see happening.

[DetroitDon15]

The answer is no unless Wiggins can be moved to a third team for assets/expirings/pick.