tmorgan wrote:I missed this one. Did Grant get hurt? 19 minutes is not typical.
I've been watching, admittedly with only mild interest, and there was nothing I saw or heard about him being hurt.
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tmorgan wrote:I missed this one. Did Grant get hurt? 19 minutes is not typical.
Manocad wrote:Snakebites wrote:Manocad wrote:It's only one game but sure, I think we'd still rather see Minnesota get the win. Which they're not going to, but just relative to preference.
They had 2 games. I’d vastly prefer one team getting both and hopefully some momentum over a split.
Which is what we got.
I took the post as only referring to tonight's game since that was the only game mentioned, BRO
tmorgan wrote:I missed this one. Did Grant get hurt? 19 minutes is not typical.
chrbal wrote:tmorgan wrote:I missed this one. Did Grant get hurt? 19 minutes is not typical.
“Left quad contusion”
tmorgan wrote:Wood didn’t even play tonight. Any word on that?
Manocad wrote:chrbal wrote:tmorgan wrote:I missed this one. Did Grant get hurt? 19 minutes is not typical.
“Left quad contusion”
Perfect! Sit him for the rest of the season!
Manocad wrote:chrbal wrote:tmorgan wrote:I missed this one. Did Grant get hurt? 19 minutes is not typical.
“Left quad contusion”
Perfect! Sit him for the rest of the season!
The Moose wrote:Manocad wrote:Is it just me or has Josh Jackson pretty much reverted back to what I'll call his "career" self, basically a 40%/30% guy? Not to say that he can't still be part of the Pistons' future but the bloom is off the rose a little for me.
agreed, also hes still quite selfish. I don't think he will ever be much more than what he is right now
tmorgan wrote:GB is old, man. Props to him for broadcasting so long, he’s a legend for sure, but he’s getting a little creaky.
At this point Wood has to start being in consideration for the "empty stats guy" tag people love to throw around in here.Manocad wrote:tmorgan wrote:I think Minny is the better team, and I’m rooting for them to win games because I think there’s at least a slight chance we finish lower than them. Houston is likely a lost cause unless Wood just goes off every night.
Hey, according to some on this board he's a unicorn and not keeping him was the biggest mistake in Pistons' history. So maybe he will.
DetroitSho wrote:At this point Wood has to start being in consideration for the "empty stats guy" tag people love to throw around in here.Manocad wrote:tmorgan wrote:I think Minny is the better team, and I’m rooting for them to win games because I think there’s at least a slight chance we finish lower than them. Houston is likely a lost cause unless Wood just goes off every night.
Hey, according to some on this board he's a unicorn and not keeping him was the biggest mistake in Pistons' history. So maybe he will.
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thesack12 wrote:DetroitSho wrote:At this point Wood has to start being in consideration for the "empty stats guy" tag people love to throw around in here.Manocad wrote:Hey, according to some on this board he's a unicorn and not keeping him was the biggest mistake in Pistons' history. So maybe he will.
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Christian Wood: 21.5 PPG on 55.1 FG% and 37.9 3PT%, 9.8 RPG, 1.3 APG with a PER of 23.25 in 31.0 minutes per game
Jerami Grant: 23.0 PPG on 42.6 FG% and 35.3 3PT%, 4.9 RPG, 2.8 APG with a PER of 17.54 in 35.2 minuter per game
Its also worth noting that Wood didn't play in the first 17 games of Houston's 20 game losing streak. Overall They are 9-14 with him, and 4-18 without him.
So in my opinion if we are starting to float the empty stats label onto Wood, Grant is already FIRMLY in that territory.
Just curious, who was even talking about Grant? This was about Wood. I've seen Grant contribute to a winning situation. I've seen Wood put up stats.thesack12 wrote:DetroitSho wrote:At this point Wood has to start being in consideration for the "empty stats guy" tag people love to throw around in here.Manocad wrote:Hey, according to some on this board he's a unicorn and not keeping him was the biggest mistake in Pistons' history. So maybe he will.
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Christian Wood: 21.5 PPG on 55.1 FG% and 37.9 3PT%, 9.8 RPG, 1.3 APG with a PER of 23.25 in 31.0 minutes per game
Jerami Grant: 23.0 PPG on 42.6 FG% and 35.3 3PT%, 4.9 RPG, 2.8 APG with a PER of 17.54 in 35.2 minuter per game
Its also worth noting that Wood didn't play in the first 17 games of Houston's 20 game losing streak. Overall They are 9-14 with him, and 4-18 without him.
So in my opinion if we are starting to float the empty stats label onto Wood, Grant is already FIRMLY in that territory.
DetroitSho wrote:Just curious, who was even talking about Grant? This was about Wood. I've seen Grant contribute to a winning situation. I've seen Wood put up stats.thesack12 wrote:DetroitSho wrote:At this point Wood has to start being in consideration for the "empty stats guy" tag people love to throw around in here.
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Christian Wood: 21.5 PPG on 55.1 FG% and 37.9 3PT%, 9.8 RPG, 1.3 APG with a PER of 23.25 in 31.0 minutes per game
Jerami Grant: 23.0 PPG on 42.6 FG% and 35.3 3PT%, 4.9 RPG, 2.8 APG with a PER of 17.54 in 35.2 minuter per game
Its also worth noting that Wood didn't play in the first 17 games of Houston's 20 game losing streak. Overall They are 9-14 with him, and 4-18 without him.
So in my opinion if we are starting to float the empty stats label onto Wood, Grant is already FIRMLY in that territory.
Grant is already known and accepted around these parts as a glue guy, high level role player. So clearly he's miscast right now. Wood is known as the Unicorn savior around these parts. If you go back and add on the end of last year when he became the starter and getting big minutes, the record is even worse. He puts up good numbers but he's not shown to impact winning much at all.
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buzzkilloton wrote:thesack12 wrote:DetroitSho wrote:At this point Wood has to start being in consideration for the "empty stats guy" tag people love to throw around in here.
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Christian Wood: 21.5 PPG on 55.1 FG% and 37.9 3PT%, 9.8 RPG, 1.3 APG with a PER of 23.25 in 31.0 minutes per game
Jerami Grant: 23.0 PPG on 42.6 FG% and 35.3 3PT%, 4.9 RPG, 2.8 APG with a PER of 17.54 in 35.2 minuter per game
Its also worth noting that Wood didn't play in the first 17 games of Houston's 20 game losing streak. Overall They are 9-14 with him, and 4-18 without him.
So in my opinion if we are starting to float the empty stats label onto Wood, Grant is already FIRMLY in that territory.
Woods been good hes just had injuries this season. We seen enough of Wood last season to know hes a good player come on now.
Grant started off really hot but as teams started keying on him his efficiency has jumped off a cliff. Grant still good and valuable but hes better suited for the role he had in Den a 3-4 option that focuses on defense and shoots open 3s.
One of my favorite advanced stat system is 538s raptor which puts a bunch of factors together to rate players. Its not perfect as these type of stat gauges always have some weird outlier players that are overanked and underranked but it adds in defense and all kinds of metrics to it. It has Wood 60 and Grant at 74. I imagine Wood is getting docked on it for missing games as he should but he still is 14 spots ahead.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/
thesack12 wrote:DetroitSho wrote:Just curious, who was even talking about Grant? This was about Wood. I've seen Grant contribute to a winning situation. I've seen Wood put up stats.thesack12 wrote:
Christian Wood: 21.5 PPG on 55.1 FG% and 37.9 3PT%, 9.8 RPG, 1.3 APG with a PER of 23.25 in 31.0 minutes per game
Jerami Grant: 23.0 PPG on 42.6 FG% and 35.3 3PT%, 4.9 RPG, 2.8 APG with a PER of 17.54 in 35.2 minuter per game
Its also worth noting that Wood didn't play in the first 17 games of Houston's 20 game losing streak. Overall They are 9-14 with him, and 4-18 without him.
So in my opinion if we are starting to float the empty stats label onto Wood, Grant is already FIRMLY in that territory.
Grant is already known and accepted around these parts as a glue guy, high level role player. So clearly he's miscast right now. Wood is known as the Unicorn savior around these parts. If you go back and add on the end of last year when he became the starter and getting big minutes, the record is even worse. He puts up good numbers but he's not shown to impact winning much at all.
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MANY people on this board incessantly talking about how much they'd rather have Grant over Wood and bashed anyone who thought otherwise. Grant and Wood were always going to be compared to each other moving forward.
MANY people of this board were crowning Grant to be a destined superstar after like 10 games. With Grant, people were even on here talking about Detroit being ready to compete after this upcoming draft.
As an important piece of a rotation, We've seen Grant contribute to winning for 1 season. This while being Denver's 4th or 5th best player. So let's not act like he has some kind of storied pedigree.
In Detroit, Grant has proven that he's not capable of elevating a team as a top option. He started out hot, but has been bad for 2 solid months now. Unless you solely want to count PPG which is a hollow stat in context of the entirety of the situation.
So yeah, when people start to downplay Wood's performance and effectiveness I don't think its out of bounds to bring up Grant.