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I'll start off with a couple from the T & T board

Pistons out: Grant
Pistons in: Buddy Hield & Kings 1st (#9)

Kings out: Buddy & #9
Kings in: Grant

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Kings ship out: Hield/#9
Kings get: Grant

Pistons ship out: Grant/McGruder(non guaranteed)
Pistons get: Kemba/9/Bos 1st

Celtics ship out: Kemba/1st
Celtics get: Hield/McGruder

CJ McCollum is about to be traded.

Stewart + future first + expiring filler for CJ

Draft Mobley

Hayes
CJ
Bey
Grant
Mobley

So the question with both of these trades is:

Is a late lottery pick worth giving up the value of Grant and taking on a pricier deal? In the case of Hield, that’s an extra year. In the case of Kemba, it’s the same number of years but scary money.

I say no. I think we could in theory get a somewhat later first for Grant without taking on a nasty contract.

Trade someone who WANTS to be here and is performing well?

Uncle Mxy wrote:Trade someone who WANTS to be here and is performing well?

I don’t see us trading him but anyone should be available for the right offer.

Until we are MUCH better, we should not trade first round picks. And I don't think we can now anyway until this trade is finalized:
2022 first round draft pick to Houston
Detroit's 1st round pick to Houston protected for selections 1-16 in 2022, 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Detroit by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Houston [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020]

I'm also not interested in CJ or Kemba for the Pistons. We need VALUE contracts while we are rebuilding. Sure we need good players, but the time to get good players with questionable contracts is when you are trying to get deep into the playoffs. To go from a lottery team to a playoff team can be done without trying to acquire players with huge contracts that already peaked.

theBigLip wrote:I'm also not interested in CJ or Kemba for the Pistons. We need VALUE contracts while we are rebuilding. Sure we need good players, but the time to get good players with questionable contracts is when you are trying to get deep into the playoffs. To go from a lottery team to a playoff team can be done without trying to acquire players with huge contracts that already peaked.

The (potential) appeal of the trades in this thread is the picks going TO the Pistons. Taking on those contracts may or may not be worth the value of those picks, but that is how this should be framed.

Unless it's a trade for someone you can't see as being part of the Pistons' long term plan in return for a decent value in picks, I don't see the point. And that includes Grant. None of us would call him the #1 option/building block moving forward but could he be the #2 option on a good team? Certainly. Why not see how that plays out?

I’d like to see the pistons swap the high 2nd and Plumlee for a lesser and/or more expensive center to get into the 1st round.

I’d also like to see us buy low on someone. Say a random 2nd to Minnesota for Jarrett culver (just an example, not necessarily him). Wolves sell a potential bust for a 2nd, Detroit takes a flier on someone.

At least one trade like how we got Saben Lee and Tony Bradley for cash. Maybe hang onto the non rookie this time.

I don’t think it makes sense to go for a big move unless it’s an insane return, like high picks and such.

chrbal wrote:I’d like to see the pistons swap the high 2nd and Plumlee for a lesser and/or more expensive center to get into the 1st round.

I’d also like to see us buy low on someone. Say a random 2nd to Minnesota for Jarrett culver (just an example, not necessarily him). Wolves sell a potential bust for a 2nd, Detroit takes a flier on someone.

At least one trade like how we got Saben Lee and Tony Bradley for cash. Maybe hang onto the non rookie this time.

I don’t think it makes sense to go for a big move unless it’s an insane return, like high picks and such.

This draft is deep with bigs. We can get a big in the second round. It'll be a better deal with less committed money too. If we take Mobley we should move into the first to take a shooting guard though, not as deep in shooting guards.

FloridaMan78 wrote:

chrbal wrote:I’d like to see the pistons swap the high 2nd and Plumlee for a lesser and/or more expensive center to get into the 1st round.

I’d also like to see us buy low on someone. Say a random 2nd to Minnesota for Jarrett culver (just an example, not necessarily him). Wolves sell a potential bust for a 2nd, Detroit takes a flier on someone.

At least one trade like how we got Saben Lee and Tony Bradley for cash. Maybe hang onto the non rookie this time.

I don’t think it makes sense to go for a big move unless it’s an insane return, like high picks and such.

This draft is deep with bigs. We can get a big in the second round. It'll be a better deal with less committed money too. If we take Mobley we should move into the first to take a shooting guard though, not as deep in shooting guards.

The plumlee thing was more to get into the first round. Still feel like we need a veteran center, don’t really want to see Okafor as a rotation player.

ComboGuardCity wrote:CJ McCollum is about to be traded.

Stewart + future first + expiring filler for CJ

Draft Mobley

Hayes
CJ
Bey
Grant
Mobley

I like the idea of CJ as a 2 gaurd, but I really don't like the idea of trading Stewart when he has shown so much promise. He had an exceptional rookie year for a bigman. I also loathe the idea of trading a future first. Pistons are not in a position to do that right now.

Nay.

We need to avoid all the "win now" moves. We should not trade any young guys to get older. We should not trade any future 1st round picks. We should not take on contracts unless we're getting draft compensation to do so.

I do still believe we can make a trade that helps us win more this year, and get better for the long haul. It's just about making the right move finding the right player. Plumlee makes a lot of sense to move, even though he was really solid for us, because its likely that Stewart will be good enough to play 24+ MPG this upcoming season.

I really don't think we're going to look into trades too much until we figure out who we want in the draft.

Snakebites wrote:

Uncle Mxy wrote:Trade someone who WANTS to be here and is performing well?

I don’t see us trading him but anyone should be available for the right offer.

Everyone, including the team as a whole, is available for the right offer. But, it's rare that we have good players truly seeking to be in Detroit for more than just $. Trade Grant now, call it "a business move", and good luck with not overpaying free agents to be here.

ComboGuardCity wrote:CJ McCollum is about to be traded.

Stewart + future first + expiring filler for CJ

Draft Mobley

Hayes
CJ
Bey
Grant
Mobley

Trade Stewart?? Lmfao. This place has went downhill.

I would love for us to go after potential buy low candidates. Justinse Winslow would be my target. I would trade either Josh Jackson for him (in case Memphis wants Jackson back) or would try to do a sign and trade Diallo for Winslow.

I think the most important is to not donate talent like we did last offseason, do not give up future picks like we did last season, and we don't need any more 2nd/3rd tier young players to develop, we have plenty of those.

I am also against take on guys like Kemba or Buddy Hield.

OKC has done really well for itself taking on guys like Kemba, considered overpaid and with a negative value, getting draft assets for taking them, and then turning their value around playing to their strengths and then getting value trading them back out as well. It's been a beautiful job of asset building on their part.

Kemba would only make sense if all we have to give up are Plumlee, CoJo, and McGruder and we also get at least the #16 pick for taking him on, if not more coming our way.

Hard to say if Stevens would give up that much to get out of the Kemba deal. If they hire a PG coach like Kidd or Billups they might want to see how Kemba meshes with the new coach.

My prediction is that Kemba ends up in Dallas. They could use another scorer/playmaker and that's how they get one without giving up assets.

And because they potentially have greater use for him as a player than us, they'd probably offer a better deal than what we'd be willing to do.

Snakebites wrote:My prediction is that Kemba ends up in Dallas. They could use another scorer/playmaker and that's how they get one without giving up assets.

And because they potentially have greater use for him as a player than us, they'd probably offer a better deal than what we'd be willing to do.

That's actually a possibility. The situation Dallas is in is an interesting one. Luka is way to good for the Mavs to end up in the lottery to gain help that way, and selling low on Porzingis would be a mistake. Taking on Kembas contract and possibly getting a 1st for doing it(Boston has very little leverage here)would be ideal for them.

Interesting take for sure.