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I don't see why the pistons needed to make this move.We have Garza and Livers who both would be better than him .And we needed the roster spot. All he's going to do is sit at the end of the bench.I’m not optimistic, but I hope he proves me wrong. As of now, the signing seems to be detrimental to the development of some younger guys, and it won’t be worth it. At least he’s not expensive!

Signing Grade: D

that's what bad teams get on minimum like deals. just an emergency backup. It's not like he's going to start or really take minutes away from anyone. Who will be the last guy standing when Diallo is resigned? Who will we cut is more like the question.

First and foremost this thread already exists
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But honestly it’s a cheap depth signing with a second season team option. He’s still fairly young and can kind of shoot the 3 for his position.

You’re not really going to get some amazing player and he’s basically a depth player. He plays well, you have either a cheap bench player or maybe trade him. He plays poorly, you decline his option.

It's just barely above the minimum for a player with his years of experience, and its got a year two team option. It's a fine depth signing. If anything it likely signals that our GM doesn't believe that Sekou will be ready to contribute yet this year to winning basketball. I'd say the writing is on the wall for Sekou's 4th year option to be declined. Weaver has until Oct 31st to decide.

In a perfect world Sekou is playing over him.

In a realistic world Lyles probably plays over Sekou.

In a perfect world Lyles could fill in a Marcus Morris-ish type role for us off the bench.

In a realistic world probably not.

End of the bench signing. No harm no foul with it being a team option on the 2nd year.

bstein14 wrote:It's just barely above the minimum for a player with his years of experience, and its got a year two team option. It's a fine depth signing. If anything it likely signals that our GM doesn't believe that Sekou will be ready to contribute yet this year to winning basketball. I'd say the writing is on the wall for Sekou's 4th year option to be declined. Weaver has until Oct 31st to decide.

There's not going to be much winning this coming season IMO


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Trey Lyles is a 25 year old stretch-four with a 7'1"+ wingspan who has started over 100 games and made over 1,000 shots at the NBA level, including over 330 three pointers at a 34.1% rate. Garza and Livers haven't played even one minute of NBA preseason.

Lyles was rated as one of the top high school players in the country, then won a national championship as a freshman in college before being drafted with the 12th overall pick.

For the last two years he has played for one of the best coaches in NBA history, Gregg Popovich, where he has started 72% of the games he has played for the Spurs and made 38% of the hundreds of three pointers he attempted.

For the Spurs, he only averaged 6.0ppg, 5.2rpg, 1.0apg in 18.9mpg over two seasons. But last year, Lyles averaged 12.2ppg on elite-level 52/50/88 shooting splits as a starter over his last 13 outings preceding the sudden league-wide COVID-19 shutdown.

What I'm trying to say is that there's a decent chance he's not useless for the Pistons, and his contract is cheap cheap cheap.

Before signing with the Pistons Lyles was projected to get $6-9 million as a backup PF. I expect he took our offer because after being buried on the SA depth chart he sees a chance to get minutes here. I think this signing reflects how Sekou isn't ready to be a steady contributor. Sekou also complained about being stuck shooting three point shots last season and Lyles may better fit the direction the team is going. He's a cheap wager for PF depth.

He is necessary. He was a good signing. He's an ok player who will give us solid backup minutea at PF. Sekou is done, he is bad and didn't improve, his attitude is terrible, he should not play.

Garza? Seriously dude. I hope he develop and in a couple of years he become a NBA rotation player, right now he is 100% umplayable. Boban is better than him on defense and Boban is umplayable.

Lyles is our 4th big with Okafor being the 5th. Our rotation is likely with Garza and Sekou not getting any minutes unless we have a bunch of injuries.

Stewart/Olynyk/Okafor/Garza
Grant/Lyles/Okynyk/Sekou

Are the Pistons looking at a championship run this year? No? Ok, just checking. Call me when the games start.

Meh. Short term contract for low dollars. He's probably not going to do much, but....

He was considered a pretty good prospect and looked OK when getting decent minutes. Not a bad reclamation project signing. He probably won't pan out, but that's how this goes. You keep taking fliers on guys who haven't really put it all together yet and keep your fingers crossed. If he does pan out, he's a mobile big that can shoot from distance and is still pretty young. IF not, it really doesn't cost you anything and you move on to the next guy.

not sure how many minutes he'll get but i think there's a good chance he's our backup PF for the season. olynyk can play soooome PF but really he shouldn't, same with stewart. garza and okafor are 100% centers.

even a lot of our wings don't have great size to play PF, so lyles at least gives us a bigger PF that can stretch the floor.

he didn't play a lot of games last year (not sure if he was injured or out of the rotation) but if he can play close to how he did in 2020 for the spurs then he will be a bargain at $2.5 mil.

I don’t see Lyles doing anything on this team. He’s basically a 14/15 man in my eyes. I can’t see him playing over Stewart, Grant, Seku, or KO. With that being said, Okafor has to be the odd man out here.

Man. This part of the offseason between Summer League and Preseason really is tough to get through.

But c'mon guys- just because there isn't much to talk about doesn't mean we need to talk about...this. Yeesh.

Snakebites wrote:Man. This part of the offseason between Summer League and Preseason really is tough to get through.

But c'mon guys- just because there isn't much to talk about doesn't mean we need to talk about...this. Yeesh.

If Sekou is moved (maybe even if he stays) Lyles might actually be our back up 4.

Contemplate that as we "compete to win" games!

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Snakebites wrote:Man. This part of the offseason between Summer League and Preseason really is tough to get through.

But c'mon guys- just because there isn't much to talk about doesn't mean we need to talk about...this. Yeesh.

And it likely won't get any better during preseason. After last year no one talked about the Pistons competing for anything this year regardless of where the draft pick ended up; most of the talk was about another year of development via ensuring high minutes to projected future starters with no regard for wins and losses or even another year of intended tanking.

One draft and a summer league later and suddenly it's doomsday relative to non-significant impact signings, Hayes can't start next to Cade, Olynyk got paid too much, etc. Kinda like it went from "just do the right things to help the team get better in the future and be able to go after another big name after Blake's money drops off" to "OMG this is going to screw the team" when the players haven't even hit the floor yet. All Weaver has shown so far is that this is going to be another year of tinkering to find out what works. Let the process play out.

Snakebites wrote:Man. This part of the offseason between Summer League and Preseason really is tough to get through.

But c'mon guys- just because there isn't much to talk about doesn't mean we need to talk about...this. Yeesh.

This is our second, and possibly not last, Trey Lyles specific thread. It’s post free agency and pre preseason time, you’re going to get overreactions to all kinds of things. I’m just happy we didn’t get threads dedicated to each player on the summer league roster.

Manocad wrote:

Snakebites wrote:Man. This part of the offseason between Summer League and Preseason really is tough to get through.

But c'mon guys- just because there isn't much to talk about doesn't mean we need to talk about...this. Yeesh.

And it likely won't get any better during preseason. After last year no one talked about the Pistons competing for anything this year regardless of where the draft pick ended up; most of the talk was about another year of development via ensuring high minutes to projected future starters with no regard for wins and losses or even another year of intended tanking.

One draft and a summer league later and suddenly it's doomsday relative to non-significant impact signings, Hayes can't start next to Cade, Olynyk got paid too much, etc. Kinda like it went from "just do the right things to help the team get better in the future and be able to go after another big name after Blake's money drops off" to "OMG this is going to screw the team" when the players haven't even hit the floor yet. All Weaver has shown so far is that this is going to be another year of tinkering to find out what works. Let the process play out.

The commentary is bottom barrel at this point.

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Manocad wrote:Are the Pistons looking at a championship run this year? No? Ok, just checking. Call me when the games start.

Steps (these days):
1) Win the lotto and pick your favorite #1 overall
2) Championship!


There is no more of this:
1) Win the lotto
2) ???
3) Championship!