Pistons, Spurs and Magic only teams with $30+ million in cap space in 2022

[bstein14]

Interesting article on the wiretap. Pistons are just one of 3 teams with $30+ million in cap space next summer.

Also only about 30 starter level players currently with nearly half of those guys RFAs.

Another of agents will be looking to Detroit, Orlando and San Antonio to get their guys paid.

[vege]

This is super scary considering Weaver is a terrible GM and how many mistakes he has done with money so far.

[Tecmo]

I'm also reading the '22 free agent group is considered weak. Does this mean the Pistons throw a lot of money at a subpar talent?

[zeebneeb]

This is super scary considering Weaver is a terrible GM and how many mistakes he has done with money so far.

Scary because in one year he completely changed the direction of the team, getting rid of every player except Sekou, loading it with all rookie talent, signing underutilized free agents that blossomed, achieving a near perfect tank landing the #1 overall pick, and getting the team 30+million in capspace in 22', or because he's loose with second round picks scary?

Just want to make sure which angle your coming at this with.

[bkseven]

This is super scary considering Weaver is a terrible GM and how many mistakes he has done with money so far.

Yea... his Josh Smith, BG, CV, Leur signings were terrible... Plus that trade for BG... Plus all those awful picks of that could have been...

[GreekAlex]

I only like the upcoming RFA’s.

I wonder if they could get Miles Bridges, JJJ or Michael Porter Jr?

[bstein14]

I only like the upcoming RFA’s.

I wonder if they could get Miles Bridges, JJJ or Michael Porter Jr?

MPJr on a Max deal would be interesting for us. He's an incredibly talented player offensively. He's 6'10" and shoots the lights out from outside. Denver probably matches because they can't afford to lose him.

Stewart - Grant - MPJ - Bey - Cade would be an interesting starting lineup for sure.

[Spider156]

This is super scary considering Weaver is a terrible GM and how many mistakes he has done with money so far.

You serious? Lol so people hated on Grant but that contract is now is amazing. Plumlee if you wanna hate on that sure you can even though he played well but he gave up nothing to get rid of it so that was genius. Olynyk deserves that money, idk what people are kidding about. He’s a proven player, if Olynyk doesn’t get that money who does? Lmao I think what people should be concerned about is the dead money but eventually that money expires and we’ll be in competing harder then.

Now with the cap space? This doesn’t mean Beal and Lavine will want to come here, they can just resign with their teams. Beal likely sign and trade and lavine I just can’t see him coming here, that’s too good to be true. Look for the Pistons to take on contracts for either assets or to absorb a good contract.

[mrroboto4889]

Where do I apply to write articles that anyone with basic math skills could've wrote a week ago?

Anyway, I think cap space meant something when you could take on a bad contract along with a pick. Now every good free agent goes to a team that's way over the cap via sign and trade. Having bloated contracts is actually a good thing.

[Spider156]

I only like the upcoming RFA’s.

I wonder if they could get Miles Bridges, JJJ or Michael Porter Jr?

I’d pay Porter Jr big money, probably at least 20m a year and I’m pretty sure Nuggets will match after seeing Weaver steal Grant. I’d throw 25-30m a year at him just for the potential.

[bstein14]

Where do I apply to write articles that anyone with basic math skills could've wrote a week ago?

Anyway, I think cap space meant something when you could take on a bad contract along with a pick. Now every good free agent goes to a team that's way over the cap via sign and trade. Having bloated contracts is actually a good thing.

It does feel like teams without cap space have been going after FA's a lot more lately.... trying to work out sign and trade deals. The entire sign and trade premise maybe needs to be looked at a bit differently in the next CBA. Just another way FA's are able to force themselves to locations like LA or Miami without those teams actually even having the cap space to sign them.

[Invictus88]

This is a big opportunity for us. Since nobody has cap space there should be a lot of teams looking to work with us in order to facilitate trades; which will be the route that everyone else will have to take to make big changes.

If we are patient we can do really good things here.

[vege]

You serious?

I am but maybe it will take someone from the midia to write about it for some people to understand the absurd stuff Weaver has been doing. I mean, fans from other teams are starting to agree that he is absolutely awful and his cap management is a crime.

[Snakebites]

This is a big opportunity for us. Since nobody has cap space there should be a lot of teams looking to work with us in order to facilitate trades; which will be the route that everyone else will have to take to make big changes.

If we are patient we can do really good things here.

There’s a reason only 3 teams have cap space- the market is awful. Nobody wants cap space for this offseason. I guess there’s always teams worried about LT, but when was the last time someone made a killing in a trade like that?

I don’t see where the opportunity is for trades, truthfully.

And we certainly don’t have much opportunity on the FA market. There aren’t even really (realistic) UFA I’d want on my team, much less guys I’d go all in on.

Cap space is scary. I hope we sign short deals at least.

[Invictus88]

This is a big opportunity for us. Since nobody has cap space there should be a lot of teams looking to work with us in order to facilitate trades; which will be the route that everyone else will have to take to make big changes.

If we are patient we can do really good things here.

There’s a reason only 3 teams have cap space- the market is awful. Nobody wants cap space for this offseason. I guess there’s always teams worried about LT, but when was the last time someone made a killing in a trade like that?

I don’t see where the opportunity is for trades, truthfully.

And we certainly don’t have much opportunity on the FA market. There aren’t even really (realistic) UFA I’d want on my team, much less guys I’d go all in on.

Cap space is scary. I hope we sign short deals at least.

I feel like I'm repeating myself but I would think if the FA market is awful then that would necessitate the need for teams to explore other avenues to address team needs: a.k.a trades. Unless both partners have equivalent salaries being exchanged ther is a need for at least a third team to be added to balance the books.

If there was ever going to be a time that we would be using cap space to take on salary dumps in exchange assets it is this coming offseason.

[bstein14]

Not only are we one of three teams that are above $30 million, there also are only a few more teams with space above the MLE. Could position us well to land a good starter in the $12 - $13 million per range and also leave us with plenty of cap space in the trade market.

If we can't get an all-star caliber player, getting a good starter and quality 6th man type in FA as two cheaper FAs and then using a bulk in trades to gain draft capital might not be the worst idea for us. Gives us some ammo in the trade market as well or allows us to retry again in 2023.

[buzzkilloton]

Scoop up 2 Kelly Os and a Plumlee on top

[Pharaoh]

You serious?

I am but maybe it will take someone from the midia to write about it for some people to understand the absurd stuff Weaver has been doing. I mean, fans from other teams are starting to agree that he is absolutely awful and his cap management is a crime.

Can you provide details on these salary cap crimes?

We all know the Dedmon/Smith thing. We all know about Blake coming off the books. Not too sure many care about the Sirvy dead money.

What else you got?

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[Pharaoh]

Agree this gives us a opportunity to absorb "bad" contracts for draft compensation but I'd be looking at teams that are wanting to reduce their tax bill instead.

I don't want us taking on a 2 or 3 year deal just to land some Lotto protected first in a unspecified year.

This also would be a opportunity to sign vet free agents to a huge 1 year deal (call it a career appreciation payment) in order to hit the salary floor before shopping again the in 2023.

By then Cade would have completed his 2nd season and we should know where we stand with the rest of our kids

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[whitehops]

it's exciting to have that cap space but i really hope we spend it wisely - as in the only long term/decent money on players completely worth it. i think the following off season is a better time to spend big, as grant's deal and olynyk's deal (if we decline his third year) would be off the books so we'd have a TON of money to spend (like two veteran max contracts) the season before we would be signing stewart and bey to extensions. between cade, stewart, bey, lee, livers and dead money we'd have less than $30 million on the books going into free agency.

i think it also lines up with the team's timeline a little better, as it gives the young guys an extra season of touches/development before we potentially bring in some big players. hopefully by then our young core makes the pistons a more attractive destination in free agency too.