Would you sign Ayton to a max offer sheet?

[MotownMadness]

Would you do it? Personally I think that's where I would invest my money.

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[MotownMadness]

I'm sure they just match anyways but would be a great young addition

[GreekAlex]

Maybe I’m misguided but I don’t see him as that much of an impact.

Unless it’s an Embiid or Joker, I don’t think it’s worth investing over $30M at the center position.

[bstein14]

I'm leaning towards yes, but it would depend a bit on how Stewart does this season and well as how much of a step forward Ayton takes.... also, what other options are available this summer. If you can get two other solid younger starters for that $30 million that still have potential to break out a bit with us that might be a better use of that cap space.

He's a top 50-60 player and still young and likely would have four prime years ahead of him on that deal. You'd make a max offer like that hoping he is better than what he has previously shown up to this point.

It's going to be hard to pair any top 50 under 25 players with Cade except for our 2022 MAX contract we get to hand out so its almost where you need to go. Ayton is likely the third best player on a championship contender at best, not top two.

I honestly would have likely prefered Mikal Bridges at 4 years $100 million over Ayton at the MAX.

[tmorgan]

I would definitely not. He’s a smarter player than Drummond, but not exceptional in that regard. He has somewhat better touch, but not great. He does stay in his lane, the biggest advantage he has over Dre. Still not worth a quarter of your cap, tho. Drummond was and is physically better and less likely to get dinged up, too.

Bridges 4/100 was a far better deal. Suns playing it smart, imho.

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[A_dub06]

Ayton isn’t worth max in anyway shape or form. Unless he starts shooting and hitting 3’s with volume and at a decent rate he is delusional thinking he’s worth that much.

I’d take Isaiah every day over Ayton, and that’s not to say I think he’s a better player right now. I think Stewart’s game is fun to watch and his determination is an awesome addition to have on any team. Those kind of personalities can be infectious because if you’re not bringing it every night you’re going to last and out for the wrong reason. I also think Stewart will command less $ than Ayton which value for money makes him the right choice.

[mattao313]

I'd pass good player but not worth it. Also not that good on defense which is the most important thing for the C position.

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[flow]

I'm wondering if some people skipped watching the playoffs last season. Ayton was tremendous. And tireless. He had no backup to speak of. And I was no particular fan of his going in. Unless what he put out over those 2 months was somehow a fluke, he absolutely earned a max contract. I'd sign him to a sheet today.

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[GreekAlex]

I'm wondering if some people skipped watching the playoffs last season. Ayton was tremendous. And tireless. He had no backup to speak of. And I was no particular fan of his going in. Unless what he put out over those 2 months was somehow a fluke, he absolutely earned a max contract. I'd sign him to a sheet today.

When I watched him, he’s very solid all around but not really dominant on offense or defense.

It’s really hard to justify allocating that much to a non all star center unless it’s the last piece of the puzzle and you’re already capped out.

I know as a team we’re desperate to keep adding talent but this would seem like a move a losing team would make.

He would be instantly un-trade-able without attaching an asset imo.

[bstein14]

I'd pass good player but not worth it. Also not that good on defense which is the most important thing for the C position.

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All the advanced metrics show him as the best defender on the team, and the 2nd most valuable player on the team behind Paul.

He just turned 23 years old at the end of July.

His usage on offense is low, he doesn't get his share of looks. But he is an efficient scorer that also shoots FTs well for a center.

For his rankings in the entire NBA

Defensive Win Shares = 13th
Win Shares = 12th
PER (20.3) = 37th
TS% (.653) = 12th
Rebounding Rate = 5th


Everything points to him being a top 20 defender in the league, and a top 10 rebounder in the league. Plus he's super efficient offensively (unlike Drummond) because he doesn't force a bunch of bad shots. He only takes what comes to him. He is very much what Drummond should have been.

That said, I understand the hesitation of giving a traditional center max money after we got burned by Drummond.

[mattao313]

I'm wondering if some people skipped watching the playoffs last season. Ayton was tremendous. And I was no particular fan of his going in. Unless what he put out over those 2 months was somehow a fluke, he absolutely earned a max contract. I'd sign him to a sheet today.

Lots of guys get paid for their playoff performance and then revert back. Even if he did elevate his game we wouldn't have a chance the sun are gonna match or offer a max contract.

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[BadMofoPimp]

Ayton was one of the main reasons the Suns went so far last season. Of course I would sign him.

[zeebneeb]

Centers in today's game are the least valuable players on the court, and even morso if they are the traditional type such as Ayton.

Here's the thing though;

All of this is situational. In PHX case, unless they got a line on another Center, ready to step up and fill in Aytons shoes, they are going to have to max him as he was a part of their finals team. There's more to it then that of course(injuries to other contenders, is the team really as good as they showed last year e.t.c)but thats the situation they find themselves in.

Now, had PHX, or another team failed in going deep into the playoffs with Ayton, a max contract would not be on the table. There are a bunch of teams that would absolutely not max Ayton, while a few, contending/almost contending teams missing a center, would immediately take Ayton, like Boston.

Ayton is not some overwhelmingly talented bigman, but he could be just enough, to push a contender over the top. Dallas would probably max him out as well.

[Manocad]

Nope, for the same reason I always give—let’s see how the current lineup fits and functions first THEN determine what the needs are and go after the available players who best fit those needs.

[Han Solo]

Yes

[DBC10]

He's essentially what we needed Drummond to be but I don't think I'd do it. The entire center saga and then the eventual panic trade for Griffin, essentially maxing out our cap on the front court left a bad stain in my book

I now want us to go the other direction, maxing (when appropriate) to more perimeter oriented play makers like how we envision Cade to be or a transcendent PG.

Centers and PFs should be lowest in the priority list barring guys like Embiid, Jokic, and Giannis of course.

[NYPiston]

Considering the makeup of this team, in a heartbeat.
I know some people are cautious with centers like him because he doesn't stretch out the defense but it's not like he doesn't have any range, he can step out and hit a 15 footer plus he's a beast on the boards and defensively.

He's basically what you hope Banchero is if he reaches his full potential, the player who is probably the best fit for the Pistons in the upcoming draft. You have a core of Cade, Bey, Stewart and Ayton and you have quite a foundation to build off of. Probably couldn't keep all of them long term but you worry about it when you get there. Cade and Ayton on that pick and roll would be deadly.

[bstein14]

I think he has a career year going into his FA summer and they match any deal anyways so this will be moot, but he is likely the 3rd best FA on the market after Beal and LaVine. Plus Chris Paul teaching him about what it takes to win also makes me feel a little bit better about giving the guy a huge four year deal. He seems much more mature than what Drummond is even today.

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[Tecmo]

I went yes, he's a good talent & from what I can tell, motivated to improve and succeed in the league. He's good on both ends of the court. My 'no' would be if there is a better talent that would accept a max deal to play with the Pistons.