Canadafan wrote:Reading through this thread I would say not a chance we trade him then.
We need to showcase the amazing CoJo and Olynyk and get some assets for those two superstars lol
Assuming Grant can benefit from Cade's presence as others have relative to getting better scoring opportunities and can efficiently put up 20 PPG at $20 million per, why would the Pistons want to trade him now? Shoot, his contract expires after next season anyway. If he winds up being great, is looking for that last big contract and the Pistons don't want to re-sign him or he doesn't fit in with the team's development, i.e. he's looking to get paid but the rest of the team hasn't developed enough yet to pump more money into him, trade him next year as an expiring.
Now, I know what some people will say--"He's 27 now and doesn't fit the timeline." My answer to that would be that if the NBA has taught us anything in the last 20 years it's that a team's "timeline," i.e. window to win a championship, is likely 3-4 years. Now for the Pistons that window hopefully starts to open next year, is wide open in 2-3 years when Grant is 29-30--which is still fine if he's doing well and the Pistons want to re-sign him--and starts to close in 4 years. The idea that trying to achieve an entire roster of 19-23 year olds ASAP means the team has either a) a better shot at winning a championship or b) has a bigger window for winning a championship isn't supported by what has actually happened in the NBA in the last 20 years.
As I've continued to say, at some point the team has to roll out a core lineup for the better part of a season (if not an entire season, i.e. THIS SEASON) to evaluate where they're at then adjust accordingly.
I have so much respect and admiration for Grant as he is the most high profile free agent that CHOSE to come to Detroit. I can’t think of the last decent player to have the same contract offer but still chose Detroit. Charlie V, Ben Gordon and Josh Smith do not count as they not compare in terms of talent nor did they have any similar offer at least to my knowledge. Maybe Dice?
To answer your question why should they trade Grant? If he shows any indication he wants out. He deserves the Beal treatment imo. Grant’s definitely had a taste of winning as he’s been in the playoffs with OKC, Denver and this years Olympics (prime recruiting grounds). In this current landscape there is a very low chance we make the play in tournament. Hayes, Bey and Stew have yet to show any signs of taking that enormous leap in year 2. We made zero impactful free agent signings this off-season - yes are are in full rebuild mode. Maybe Grant thought there would be a chance we could be competitive for that 10 seed this year. If he is sick of Detroit getting blown out game after game and asks for out, this year is where his value is highest compared to next year as an expiring where a team could risk losing him for only a year of service. He’s shown zero signs of wanting out as he’s so involved in the community and I think he likes it in Detroit on top of being the #1 option.
If the Pistons were to get maximum value on a trade for Grant (again assuming Grant requests it), this year would be the move to make it and I would definitely want some players back not picks. I don’t think Grant can be the #2 option on a championship caliber team but definitely 3-4. We would also need to capitalize on a playoff contending team to get hit with a serious injury. All that to say I think it’s highly unlikely we trade Grant. But if we do…
Bulls come to mind as Patrick Williams is out. I doubt the Bulls take a Pwill/Coby White/ Derrick Jones (filler and expiring) for Grant/JJ/Cojo or KH or even KO.
Maybe the Kings as Harrison Barnes is having a career year and desperately want to end their playoff drought. Doubt they do Haliburton/tristian Thompson (filler) for Grant.
Maybe the warriors and they run with Green at the 5? Wiseman or Kuminga/Poole would be very intriguing. Don’t think you need a crazy big center this year as Lakers and Nuggets (Yikes for MPJ contract) don’t look to be serious playoff threats this year.
Maybe Charlotte for Bridges package as they can’t defend anyone. Grant is probably the superior defender but don’t think Charlotte does it.
Those are the type of packages we should look for grant but again this is assuming he would want out and I am most likely over valuing him lol.
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