ImageImageImage

Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors

Moderators: dVs33, Snakebites, theBigLip

hoophabit
Analyst
Posts: 3,505
And1: 1,279
Joined: Jan 19, 2002
 

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#81 » by hoophabit » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:00 pm

Manocad wrote:
SamFlow wrote:
theBigLip wrote:Don't need Simmons's big contract during our rebuild. Period.
Moving Grant at the deadline (or before)? Sure.
We are doing a proper rebuild the last and a half. Let's not f--k it up doing a SVG move.

Or maybe we trade for him on the low.... rehabilitate his value and sell high.

Just my opinion but I think Simmons has that knucklehead gene, i.e. "rehabilitate" him means coaching him up/getting him to change his game, and I do NOT see that happening with him.


Yeah, he's either something of a 'head case,' or someone willing to use that tact to get his way in dealing with his team. Stripping out young assets for the 76er's headache? There's no denying his talent, but he doesn't seem to like the pressure of the big moment. Of course, I'm just a fan so what do I know?
User avatar
ElectricMayhem
General Manager
Posts: 8,971
And1: 8,835
Joined: Jul 01, 2006
Location: Kobe-Osaka
 

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#82 » by ElectricMayhem » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:27 pm

Either this author doesn't know what he's talking about, Morey's taking crazy pills, or both (likely):

According to sources, those discussions were not just old and presently inactive, they were of little interest to the Sixers. The team's list of players they'd be interested in acquiring for Simmons, recently referred to by Sam Amick in a report for The Athletic, does not include Grant, a source familiar with the situation tells PhillyVoice.

A trade centered around Grant doesn't appeal to the Sixers for a few reasons, broadly speaking:

1. Too much positional overlap with Tobias Harris. Daryl Morey is said to be willing to overlook fit concerns if the talent return is significant enough, but the team would likely need a star-level player to make that sacrifice.
3. Grant's contract is not viewed as a beneficiary asset if the Sixers were in a position to flip him with other stuff in another deal down the line. On the other end, the Pistons would love to move Grant and his salary either to get off it entirely (given the team's inability to compete right now) or to flip him for a more impactful player a la Simmons.
3. Without burying Grant (a good player) specifically, the Sixers' public and private messaging has been clear: they are after a higher caliber of player than Grant represents. This saga extending into late November has not shaken Morey or the Sixers' brain trust from the conviction that they can and should go after difference-making perimeter players, a la Damian Lillard, or players of his caliber.

In the Detroit example, sources say there's not much of a discussion to be had unless the Pistons unexpectedly decided to throw Cade Cunningham, this year's No. 1 overall pick, into the mix. Even then, the timeline Cunningham is on relative to Joel Embiid would make that a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/current-state-ben-simmons-trade-talks-and-what-sixers-want-if-they-move-him/

Grant AND Cade would be a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to? :lol: :lol: :lol:
At the end of the day, it's not about wins and losses. Teamwork, fair play, and good sportsmanship make champions of us all.

Go arbitrary assortment of athletes! Beat the other arbitrary assortment of athletes or my mood will suffer!
User avatar
Manocad
RealGM
Posts: 65,207
And1: 9,132
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Location: Middle Fingerton
Contact:
       

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#83 » by Manocad » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:44 pm

ElectricMayhem wrote:Either this author doesn't know what he's talking about, Morey's taking crazy pills, or both (likely):

According to sources, those discussions were not just old and presently inactive, they were of little interest to the Sixers. The team's list of players they'd be interested in acquiring for Simmons, recently referred to by Sam Amick in a report for The Athletic, does not include Grant, a source familiar with the situation tells PhillyVoice.

A trade centered around Grant doesn't appeal to the Sixers for a few reasons, broadly speaking:

1. Too much positional overlap with Tobias Harris. Daryl Morey is said to be willing to overlook fit concerns if the talent return is significant enough, but the team would likely need a star-level player to make that sacrifice.
3. Grant's contract is not viewed as a beneficiary asset if the Sixers were in a position to flip him with other stuff in another deal down the line. On the other end, the Pistons would love to move Grant and his salary either to get off it entirely (given the team's inability to compete right now) or to flip him for a more impactful player a la Simmons.
3. Without burying Grant (a good player) specifically, the Sixers' public and private messaging has been clear: they are after a higher caliber of player than Grant represents. This saga extending into late November has not shaken Morey or the Sixers' brain trust from the conviction that they can and should go after difference-making perimeter players, a la Damian Lillard, or players of his caliber.

In the Detroit example, sources say there's not much of a discussion to be had unless the Pistons unexpectedly decided to throw Cade Cunningham, this year's No. 1 overall pick, into the mix. Even then, the timeline Cunningham is on relative to Joel Embiid would make that a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/current-state-ben-simmons-trade-talks-and-what-sixers-want-if-they-move-him/

Grand AND Cade would be a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to? :lol: :lol: :lol:

That’s straight from the crack pipe reporting.
Image
edmunder_prc
Pro Prospect
Posts: 991
And1: 501
Joined: Dec 06, 2015
   

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#84 » by edmunder_prc » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:53 pm

Would Simmons play in Detroit? Its not California where he wants to be. IF he would play here - Simmons/Cade fast breaks would be incredible, am I right? haha

Simmons makes 30million this year.
Then 33, 35, 38, 40.

For a top level guy its good. If Grant, Josh Jackson and KO gets it done and Simmons would play here, Simmons is WAY more talented than those 3. Josh is just another guy. KO is a bottom 10 starting center or a good backup. What is Grant? He is even a top 50 player? No way.

Right now the Pistons are trying to play a guy like Simmons, Hayes, but Hayes is a extremely poor man's version.

Cade, Bey (please just shoot 3s, please), high pick that can shoot, Diallo?, plus Simmons. That has some potential.

Hayes is still a bottom 5 starting PG. If that works at all - imagine a defensive player of the year candidate that can catch lobs, awesome in transition, etc, on the floor with Cade.

Also he could be staggered and have Simmons as the ball handler when Cade is out.

Simmons is a top 30 player and Grant is a top 80 player. Thats why Morey is talking Lillard, who is also a top 30-40 player.
User avatar
dVs33
Forum Mod - Pistons
Forum Mod - Pistons
Posts: 9,824
And1: 1,582
Joined: Apr 20, 2010
Location: Melbourne, Oz
   

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#85 » by dVs33 » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:25 pm

edmunder_prc wrote:Would Simmons play in Detroit? Its not California where he wants to be. IF he would play here - Simmons/Cade fast breaks would be incredible, am I right? haha

Simmons makes 30million this year.
Then 33, 35, 38, 40.

For a top level guy its good. If Grant, Josh Jackson and KO gets it done and Simmons would play here, Simmons is WAY more talented than those 3. Josh is just another guy. KO is a bottom 10 starting center or a good backup. What is Grant? He is even a top 50 player? No way.

Right now the Pistons are trying to play a guy like Simmons, Hayes, but Hayes is a extremely poor man's version.

Cade, Bey (please just shoot 3s, please), high pick that can shoot, Diallo?, plus Simmons. That has some potential.

Hayes is still a bottom 5 starting PG. If that works at all - imagine a defensive player of the year candidate that can catch lobs, awesome in transition, etc, on the floor with Cade.

Also he could be staggered and have Simmons as the ball handler when Cade is out.

Simmons is a top 30 player and Grant is a top 80 player. Thats why Morey is talking Lillard, who is also a top 30-40 player.


He isn’t showing up to play for the contender built for him… I don’t think he’s coming to Detroit.
sfballa13
Analyst
Posts: 3,629
And1: 737
Joined: Jan 11, 2005

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#86 » by sfballa13 » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:55 pm

What kind of POS is Morey? Simmons asked to be traded four months ago.

In that time he has turned down, Brogdan (+ pieces), McCollum (+pieces), and two unknown offers from Sacramento / Minnesota.

There are rumors that Sixers would only do the deal if Cade is included?

Morey reminds me of a crack head trying to sell a broken VCR for $100.

What other teams in the NBA have the salary or the roster fit/desire to trade for Simmons besides Kings, Blazers, Wolves? None. And I doubt the Pacers/Blazers would even consider a deal after Morey basically laughed at their other offers.

If Morey wants to trade with the Pistons here is the deal, take it or leave it:
Hayes/KO/Grant for Simmons, 1st, and two 2nds

If he doesnt want that we can move forward with our current tank a thon

Only positives I could see for getting Simmons:
- he is looking to rehab his career / image - Detroit a tanking team would be a great place to do it under the radar
- Pistons fans' love and respect defense and players that play hard - he would be well liked by all the fans unlike in Philly
- if he does play well, we can always flip him again to another team now for much higher value

--------------------------------

That being said, i continue to maintain that the true best destination for Grant is Golden State.

Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman for Grant

Draymond has big pull in Golden State (after all he recruited KD) and him and Grant played together during the Olympics

Kuminga/Moody/Wiseman have contributed nothing to the Warriors and they have the best record in the league, adding Grant would only make them more unstoppable esp since he wont be asked to score just move the ball and play defense

We go into full tank mode with the #2, #7, and #14 draft picks

This is the deal Id rather see than Simmons who has too many question marks with his agent, his personality, his willingness to improve his game, etc etc.
User avatar
Kilo
RealGM
Posts: 11,557
And1: 4,827
Joined: Jun 18, 2011
 

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#87 » by Kilo » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:12 am

Moody AND Kuminga AND Wiseman. Nah.
Presti = Hinkie
User avatar
ComboGuardCity
RealGM
Posts: 24,496
And1: 3,964
Joined: Jul 10, 2010

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#88 » by ComboGuardCity » Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:12 am

I’m not sure Simmons would decline to play here. He got straight up disrespected by the 76ers. I’d take him for anyone not named Cade and Bey.
edmunder_prc
Pro Prospect
Posts: 991
And1: 501
Joined: Dec 06, 2015
   

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#89 » by edmunder_prc » Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:14 am

sfballa13 wrote:That being said, i continue to maintain that the true best destination for Grant is Golden State.

Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman for Grant



Last season when Grant was in the discussion for MIP, there were options.

Grant looks bad and could be traded to a desperate GM looking to save their job. GSW is not that situation.

For Moody and Kuminga they could get WAY more than Grant, KO, etc.
User avatar
zeebneeb
RealGM
Posts: 12,664
And1: 5,850
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Location: ANGERVILLE: Population 1
 

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#90 » by zeebneeb » Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:19 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:Either this author doesn't know what he's talking about, Morey's taking crazy pills, or both (likely):

According to sources, those discussions were not just old and presently inactive, they were of little interest to the Sixers. The team's list of players they'd be interested in acquiring for Simmons, recently referred to by Sam Amick in a report for The Athletic, does not include Grant, a source familiar with the situation tells PhillyVoice.

A trade centered around Grant doesn't appeal to the Sixers for a few reasons, broadly speaking:

1. Too much positional overlap with Tobias Harris. Daryl Morey is said to be willing to overlook fit concerns if the talent return is significant enough, but the team would likely need a star-level player to make that sacrifice.
3. Grant's contract is not viewed as a beneficiary asset if the Sixers were in a position to flip him with other stuff in another deal down the line. On the other end, the Pistons would love to move Grant and his salary either to get off it entirely (given the team's inability to compete right now) or to flip him for a more impactful player a la Simmons.
3. Without burying Grant (a good player) specifically, the Sixers' public and private messaging has been clear: they are after a higher caliber of player than Grant represents. This saga extending into late November has not shaken Morey or the Sixers' brain trust from the conviction that they can and should go after difference-making perimeter players, a la Damian Lillard, or players of his caliber.

In the Detroit example, sources say there's not much of a discussion to be had unless the Pistons unexpectedly decided to throw Cade Cunningham, this year's No. 1 overall pick, into the mix. Even then, the timeline Cunningham is on relative to Joel Embiid would make that a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/current-state-ben-simmons-trade-talks-and-what-sixers-want-if-they-move-him/

Grand AND Cade would be a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Holy hell. Yeah, that guy, in a straight up discussion would wilt in trying to defend that statement. Anyone with two eyeballs can see what Cade is becoming.

Remember, he gets paid to type that.

Damn.
Southern Piston
Senior
Posts: 571
And1: 65
Joined: Jun 20, 2008
Location: Virginia Beach

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#91 » by Southern Piston » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:18 am

I think maybe we give it try, start three point guards above 6’5, Bey, and develop Stewart into a shooter, will suck for at least this season for with all the transitioning, and we’ll get another top five pick, maybe Simmons can get us Bates down the line, or Draymond as we get closer to the playoffs
bjones521
Junior
Posts: 440
And1: 205
Joined: Jun 28, 2015
     

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#92 » by bjones521 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:21 am

Watching Bey and Killian they last few games id do it. Im not giving up a first but Hayes Grant and Bey can leave. Add another top 5 pick to Cade and Ben.

Cade, Joseph
Frank, Lee,
Josh, Diallo
Ben, Lyles
Olynyk, Stewart
breezypeezy
Ballboy
Posts: 39
And1: 16
Joined: Dec 30, 2014
       

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#93 » by breezypeezy » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:36 am

Damn.....Morey keep Cades name out yo DAMN mouth (or keyboard) when discussing any Piston trade for your deadbeat Sixer!
User avatar
Snakebites
Forum Mod - Pistons
Forum Mod - Pistons
Posts: 39,374
And1: 9,324
Joined: Jul 14, 2002
Location: Looking not-so-happily deranged
   

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#94 » by Snakebites » Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:02 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:Either this author doesn't know what he's talking about, Morey's taking crazy pills, or both (likely):

According to sources, those discussions were not just old and presently inactive, they were of little interest to the Sixers. The team's list of players they'd be interested in acquiring for Simmons, recently referred to by Sam Amick in a report for The Athletic, does not include Grant, a source familiar with the situation tells PhillyVoice.

A trade centered around Grant doesn't appeal to the Sixers for a few reasons, broadly speaking:

1. Too much positional overlap with Tobias Harris. Daryl Morey is said to be willing to overlook fit concerns if the talent return is significant enough, but the team would likely need a star-level player to make that sacrifice.
3. Grant's contract is not viewed as a beneficiary asset if the Sixers were in a position to flip him with other stuff in another deal down the line. On the other end, the Pistons would love to move Grant and his salary either to get off it entirely (given the team's inability to compete right now) or to flip him for a more impactful player a la Simmons.
3. Without burying Grant (a good player) specifically, the Sixers' public and private messaging has been clear: they are after a higher caliber of player than Grant represents. This saga extending into late November has not shaken Morey or the Sixers' brain trust from the conviction that they can and should go after difference-making perimeter players, a la Damian Lillard, or players of his caliber.

In the Detroit example, sources say there's not much of a discussion to be had unless the Pistons unexpectedly decided to throw Cade Cunningham, this year's No. 1 overall pick, into the mix. Even then, the timeline Cunningham is on relative to Joel Embiid would make that a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/current-state-ben-simmons-trade-talks-and-what-sixers-want-if-they-move-him/

Grand AND Cade would be a tough proposition for Philly to say yes to? :lol: :lol: :lol:

It all made a lot of sense until that last paragraph though.

Those 3 points outlined are sound reasons why the Sixers wouldn't be game for Grant/Simmons.

But yeah, it goes cuckoo bananas right there at the end.
Rastas
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,923
And1: 890
Joined: May 31, 2012

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#95 » by Rastas » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:08 am

In Morey's crack head List of 30 players he thinks he has a time machine and the list includes -
MJ
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Shaq
Young LBJ
etc etc
User avatar
Uncle Mxy
General Manager
Posts: 8,054
And1: 1,156
Joined: Jul 14, 2004
Location: I plead the Fifth Dimension

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#96 » by Uncle Mxy » Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:47 pm

Simmons' reaction to adversity involves the fetal position and holdouts. The only reason Simmons isn't the biggest mental midget on his team is Embiid's bitch Drummond. Unless you think Casey or some new scenery fixes Simmons into not being a chucklehead, there's no point in dismantling any core pieces (even if they're not "great" core pieces) for him. You pay a player $35-40 million/year to BE THE MAN, not be some whiny little bitch fart who can't/won't play his way through adversity.
Canadafan
Veteran
Posts: 2,967
And1: 1,015
Joined: Nov 03, 2014
       

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#97 » by Canadafan » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:09 pm

I think we can all agree that alot of you have over valued Grant and kelly olynk :lol: Considering theres no chance philly wants them for Simmons. We would have been so very fortunate to have acquired a player of his caliber for our scrubs. Going forward let's just listen to me anytime we come across these types of situations :wink: :P
User avatar
Manocad
RealGM
Posts: 65,207
And1: 9,132
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Location: Middle Fingerton
Contact:
       

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#98 » by Manocad » Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:06 pm

Canadafan wrote:I think we can all agree that alot of you have over valued Grant and kelly olynk :lol: Considering theres no chance philly wants them for Simmons. We would have been so very fortunate to have acquired a player of his caliber for our scrubs. Going forward let's just listen to me anytime we come across these types of situations :wink: :P

You haven't made a case for why the Pistons should have ever gotten Simmons in the first place other than "Ooh! Expensive shiny new toy!"

Like I said, answer this question--when you think about where this team is at and how to build it properly to be a contender in the near future and hopefully 3-4 years afterward, do you REALLY think "You know what this team needs for $35-$40 million? Ben Simmons"?
Image
Canadafan
Veteran
Posts: 2,967
And1: 1,015
Joined: Nov 03, 2014
       

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#99 » by Canadafan » Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:21 pm

Manocad wrote:
Canadafan wrote:I think we can all agree that alot of you have over valued Grant and kelly olynk :lol: Considering theres no chance philly wants them for Simmons. We would have been so very fortunate to have acquired a player of his caliber for our scrubs. Going forward let's just listen to me anytime we come across these types of situations :wink: :P

You haven't made a case for why the Pistons should have ever gotten Simmons in the first place other than "Ooh! Expensive shiny new toy!"

Like I said, answer this question--when you think about where this team is at and how to build it properly to be a contender in the near future and hopefully 3-4 years afterward, do you REALLY think "You know what this team needs for $35-$40 million? Ben Simmons"?


No no I fully admitted to the shiny new toy blinding me yet again :lol:

And I am totally just trolling with this.

I am back on the next 2-3yr plan bandwagon.

We need more young talent and a few holes to be filled thru free agency.

I've always been the type that likes building a team with multiple less than max type contracts ala 2004team and I was liking where svg was going with our team prior to the Blake deal.

Just give me MLE guys that play their hearts out and combine them with Cade and hopefully another great young player in 2022draft and I'll never look at another shiny toy again I promise :P
User avatar
Uncle Mxy
General Manager
Posts: 8,054
And1: 1,156
Joined: Jul 14, 2004
Location: I plead the Fifth Dimension

Re: Grant for Simmons Trade Rumors 

Post#100 » by Uncle Mxy » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:29 am

Canadafan wrote:Just give me MLE guys that play their hearts out and combine them with Cade and hopefully another great young player in 2022draft and I'll never look at another shiny toy again I promise :P

I'll let Kyrie know you said that. :)

Return to Detroit Pistons