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Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:51 pm
by zeebneeb
I never usually place the entire blame of a team on a coach, as they are not the one actually shooting, passing, e.t.c, but Casey has been a damn TRAINWRECK this season. His offensive sets are unbelievable bad, and the worst part is that he keeps doing the same thing, over, and over, and over again.

1.)Will not utilize any players post strengths, his pick and roll sets are unbelievably bad as well, and he is not putting his players into a position of success, whatsoever. No strength utilization at ALL.

2.)Offensive sets. This Pistons team has to be the easiest to gaurd in the past 5 years. It honestly seems as if there are 3 set plays, with the majority of the time spent dribbling into position, and ending with Grant driving the lane from the top, (cutting off cutting lanes in the process)for either a highly contested jumper, smash into the lane, or a piss-poor pass with 3 seconds left on the shot-clock. It is terrible.

3.)No support. He isn't arguing calls all that much, or with any vigor. He seems to have lost passion for coaching. Maybe last season ruined him for winning. I don't know, but it is wholly unacceptable from a head coach.

The Pistons are currently not an NBA team, nor an NBA product.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:04 am
by rmfc
Casey's offense is so basic. It's painful to watch and easy to defend unless you have iso superstars.
Plus, he loves sticking with veteran players even if they are horrendous and not in the long term plans of the franchise.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:27 am
by mattao313
I don't like Casey as a coach but man the shooting is just bad. I'm not sure you can blame him for that, these guys are missing wide open shots consistently. Also the roster construction is pretty terrible as well we probably have the worst pg and C rotation by far in the league.

Im ok with keeping him for now i guess since our team sucks roster wise anyway. We need some more quality prospects and picks to go anywhere.

I said i may take a break but ill keep watching for now.

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Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:45 am
by MotownMadness
Weaver won't have a choice if we continue to be this bad offensively (not even sure where we rank defensively). Someone has to take the fall and he's gonna be it but I'm sure that wouldn't be til after the season.

Weaver still probably wants another top pick and will just roll with it until that's locked in . He can make alot of big changes this off-season.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:28 am
by Cowology
And replace him with...?

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:40 am
by Sort
If Pistons hired Becky Hammon it would at least be interesting. That is at least more than I can say for what happened today. Her merits I have no idea truth be told, but it would be cool to break that professional sports barrier.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:59 am
by Snakebites
Eh. Saying to fire the coach during bad play is lazy, but I'm not sure shrugging and saying "who are we going to replace him with?" is any less lazy.

Not that it matters really.

Something needs to change. Wins aren't really the concern- they aren't the goal and I'm not sure a GOAT level coach could coach this roster to a winning record- it's a truly awful roster in terms of what our guys can put out on the court right this second.

I think if we were 8-11 with the veterans carrying us most of the way people would be similarly upset- the question is are our young players (IE, their development) best served by having Casey in there. I don't know the answer to that question, it involve a lot of behind the scenes stuff that we're not necessarily privy to.

This team is hideous to watch. I stopped watching this one halfway through quarter one. So it's understandable to feel that way.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:18 am
by Manocad
Cowology wrote:And replace him with...?

Oh come on; you know that’s not how it works around here. There’s no need to have an actual solution; just throw away what you don’t like as soon as you don’t like it. Change change change.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am
by DNice68
rmfc wrote:Casey's offense is so basic. It's painful to watch and easy to defend unless you have iso superstars.
Plus, he loves sticking with veteran players even if they are horrendous and not in the long term plans of the franchise.

People blamed Hayes, but now Casey’s bf Joseph looks bad running the offense too!

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 am
by bstein14
I'm all for firing him at the end of the season if we feel like he is stunting player development. I don't think there's a ton of options out there right now. I would have been a fan of hiring Billups but he's in Portland now.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:49 am
by zeebneeb
I knew some folks would ask;

"Replace with who?"

That is the easiest answer on the planet. Casey is a tired retread of a coach, with predictable moves. There are tons of assistant coaches out there that have never been given an opportunity to show what they've got. There are an array to choose from, and seeing as how this is a young team, why not give someone a chance to grow with the team, as they grow?

Replacing Casey is the easiest thing in the world to do, and there are a ton of options. The losing is fine. Its the way the team is losing that is unacceptable. "Nobody can hit a shot". Then it becomes the coaches job to make adjustments, not to continue doing the same thing.

If Casey was making adjustments, post play, fast break emphasis, a cutting offense, then I wouldn't care. It's unbelievably repetitive on the offensive end, with zero adjustments. You can predict within a few seconds his damn rotations. Thats way, way to rigid.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:14 am
by Cowology
Snakebites wrote:Eh. Saying to fire the coach during bad play is lazy, but I'm not sure shrugging and saying "who are we going to replace him with?" is any less lazy.
I'd argue with you but I don't have the energy.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:26 am
by guldakot
Replace him with WNBA champion head coach and pistons champion Bill Laimbeer.

His offensive system would actually work (with adjustments of course) in the NBA.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:48 am
by ElectricMayhem
I'm happy keeping Casey at least until the end of the season. I think he still has the players' respect and he has a lot of knowledge to pass on to the young guys. Yes, there's not enough ball movement. Yes, he inexplicably plays CoJo too much. This team isn't winning anyway and I do think Cunningham and the rest of the young players still have a lot to learn from him. Cutting him loose now comes with no reward.

At the end of the season if Weaver feels someone else (Stotts? Atkinson? Hammon? Surprise fired coach?) is a better fit, go for it. No reason to go this route now, though.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:30 pm
by DBC10
ElectricMayhem wrote:I'm happy keeping Casey at least until the end of the season. I think he still has the players' respect and he has a lot of knowledge to pass on to the young guys. Yes, there's not enough ball movement. Yes, he inexplicably plays CoJo too much. This team isn't winning anyway and I do think Cunningham and the rest of the young players still have a lot to learn from him. Cutting him loose now comes with no reward.

At the end of the season if Weaver feels someone else (Stotts? Atkinson? Hammon? Surprise fired coach?) is a better fit, go for it. No reason to go this route now, though.


This right here. Weaver gave Casey that "well done" extension so I'm sure this (this being our current W/L column) was all going to be part of the plan anyways considering we didn't get better in the off-season and swapped guys around while adding a rookie Cade. That was always going to be a bad team record wise. And as always Vegas is right, not fans

We'll know a lot in this seasons off season honestly. A lot can happen

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:33 pm
by Kilo
Fire Beilien.

Casey signed an extension, so he's in Detroit probably through next season even. If a top notch coaching candidate came available Gores could MAYBE move this off-season. But with Howard signing to stay at Michigan, I don't think there is anybody that forces Gores to move early.

OTOH, Fenway Group is looking to buy an NBA team - I wonder if Platinum would be looking to cash out their investment.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:57 pm
by thesack12
Kilo wrote:Fire Beilien.

Casey signed an extension, so he's in Detroit probably through next season even. If a top notch coaching candidate came available Gores could MAYBE move this off-season. But with Howard signing to stay at Michigan, I don't think there is anybody that forces Gores to move early.

OTOH, Fenway Group is looking to buy an NBA team - I wonder if Platinum would be looking to cash out their investment.


Well John's work with Cade to "improve his shot" sure seems to have had the opposite effect so far.

As far as Casey goes, I've mentioned it several times already but since its relevant in this thread, Weaver's decision to give Casey an extension at the end of last season was truly a stupefying move. Its common practice to not have a "lame duck" coach going into the final season of their contract, but Casey had 2 years remaining on his original contract. I'll never know what the incentive/motivation was to give Casey an unnecessary early extension. Especially considering Weaver inherited Dwane, he didn't hire him.

As for Fenway making a play for the Pistons, I'm a Red Sox fan so sign me up.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:07 pm
by vege
Kilo wrote:OTOH, Fenway Group is looking to buy an NBA team - I wonder if Platinum would be looking to cash out their investment.


Please, we'll continue to be a dumbster fire as long as Gores is the team's owner.

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:24 pm
by jakebernat
vege wrote:
Kilo wrote:OTOH, Fenway Group is looking to buy an NBA team - I wonder if Platinum would be looking to cash out their investment.


Please, we'll continue to be a dumbster fire as long as Gores is the team's owner.


aside from his absolutely s/hitfaced public appearances (which was incredible to have witnessed in person, especially him firing an absolute piss missile of a t-shirt into a fan in the 5th row,) what exactly should gores have done differently?

Re: Holy CRAP. FIRE CASEY.

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:32 pm
by Sort
While I think it's legitimate to wonder if Weaver would have a clear plan for replacement and acknowledging again the stupidity of the extension probably means Casey has a long leash right now, I do think at some point basic accountability needs to be in order. Pistons don't just suck - I never thought they were making the playoffs.

They are beyond suck. I like watching an OKC game now and then to see how young players develop, but Pistons don't mount to a basic, NBA watchable-but-losing team right now.

If this continues and the Pistons are on pace to set records as the worst offensive team ever and they become more and more of a laughing stock in this league - not just a bad team developing young players - changes will come.

Truth is anyone watching these games right now is that the Pistons aren't losing, they're embarrassing themselves. A simple win streak or just more competent ball could change things for sure, but I don't see Casey making it through this year at this rate.