Trade Idea: Grant for Sabonis

Kalamazoo317 · Post #1 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 5:30 pm

Indiana had higher expectations this season, needs to break things up, and has a bit of a redundancy at center. We could use a big man who can grow with Cade and Killian.

Grant for Sabonis: who says no?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Laimbeer · Post #2 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 5:49 pm

No way is Indiana doing that.

DetroitSho · Post #3 » by **DetroitSho** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 5:49 pm

Y'all are getting ridiculous with these threads man. FFS.

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DBC10 · Post #4 » by **DBC10** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 5:56 pm

Laimbeer wrote:No way is Indiana doing that.

Yeah Sabonis is an all star caliber guy. There's no way they trade him unless he wants out

Post #5 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 6:18 pm

Tee hee.

Funny.

Kalamazoo317 · Post #6 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 6:26 pm

Sounds like you all think Indiana says no. I'm not sure where Indiana thinks it's going with the Turner/Sabonis combination, but it seems like they should trade one. I'd trade Turner, personally, but I think he fits their system better.

Kalamazoo317 · Post #7 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 9:47 pm

Myles Turner for Grant works in salary as well. Do you think Indiana would like that one better?

bstein14 · Post #8 » by **bstein14** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 10:36 pm

Sabonis is more than two years younger than Grant and is more proven.... has been a top guy on playoff teams. I think its safe to say he is more valuable than Grant.

If Indiana hits the reset button it might be to get younger and high draft picks if they feel like they are stuck a bit. I can't see them trading to get older unless its a major upgrade which obviously Grant isn't.

I can't see Indy having any interest in a swap like this.

Pharaoh · Post #9 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 11:07 pm

Drama for Indiana is that Rick has severely changed their offense to the point that Sabonis isn't getting the ball in his spots like he did last season.

Given where they sit in the standings they might be inclined to tank OR make a win now move. I honestly can't recall the last time the Pacers tanked so

IF they were looking to trade Sabonis or Turner where would one of them go?

$20 mil per for a quality C is a good value deal but who's got the assets to land one of them?

Cause you'd think Indiana would want to turn one of them into better fitting pieces in a 2 for 1 kind of deal.

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Pharaoh · Post #10 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 11:21 pm

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/12/6/22819884/james-harden-domantas-sabonis-nba-observations

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zeebneeb · Post #11 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 11:46 pm

Value is close to equal, with the edge going to Sabonis, but Grant doesn't seem like he would fit with Indiana so the value is actually much lower in reality.

Not a good trade partner. Now if the deal was for turner? Lukewarm on it .

Kalamazoo317 · Post #12 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:59 pm

I'd argue that Grant fits better with Indiana's current roster and offensive schemes than Sabonis does.

detroitKG · Post #13 » by **detroitKG** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:29 pm

Welp

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zeebneeb · Post #14 » by **zeebneeb** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:50 pm

Maybe some here were to quick to poo-poo the thread if reports are true.

I'm still unsure if a deal between central division teams would be plausible, but the Pacers are selling, and Sabonis would be ideal to pair with Cade, but I don't think it could get done unless you give up a big fat first round pick.

Turner is also intriguing as he's a shot blocking monster, but I'm unsure of his hops to be honest. I thought he was a little more ground-bound?

zeebneeb · Post #15 » by **zeebneeb** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:57 pm

Just for clarity, I'd give up the farm to land Sabonis. The odds of getting a bigman that skilled any other way is really slim.

thesack12 · Post #16 » by **thesack12** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:13 pm

If Indiana is trading Sabonis, they can and will do better than Jerami Grant. Especially if they actually do intend to tear it down.

GSW immediately comes to mind with all of Wiseman/Kuminga/Moody to offer.

FloridaMan78 · Post #17 » by **FloridaMan78** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:16 pm

zeebneeb wrote:Maybe some here were to quick to poo-poo the thread if reports are true.

I'm still unsure if a deal between central division teams would be plausible, but the Pacers are selling, and Sabonis would be ideal to pair with Cade, but I don't think it could get done unless you give up a big fat first round pick.

Turner is also intriguing as he's a shot blocking monster, but I'm unsure of his hops to be honest. I thought he was a little more ground-bound?

Not a great leaper, but he’s tall with a good wingspan. Decent three point shooter with some pick and pop potential. Low rebounds especially offensively because he’s out on the three point line a lot.

If we could trade Grant for Turner in some kind of three way trade that would make sense. Draft one of Jabari Smith, Banchero, Chet.

bstein14 · Post #18 » by **bstein14** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:25 pm

zeebneeb wrote:Maybe some here were to quick to poo-poo the thread if reports are true.

I'm still unsure if a deal between central division teams would be plausible, but the Pacers are selling, and Sabonis would be ideal to pair with Cade, but I don't think it could get done unless you give up a big fat first round pick.

Turner is also intriguing as he's a shot blocking monster, but I'm unsure of his hops to be honest. I thought he was a little more ground-bound?

Indiana and Toronto make the most sense as far as trading players to "tank" for a high pick to add to young core.

Sabonis, Levert and Turner make Indiana good enough to not get a top 6 pick but not good enough to make a playoff run. They are stuck and internal improvement hasn't gotten them out of mediocrity yet. They need to rest for a younger player, or draft picks that could become much better if they hit.

They should have zero interest in Jerami Grant if they want to get younger and rebuild.

zeebneeb · Post #19 » by **zeebneeb** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:30 pm

bstein14 wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:Maybe some here were to quick to poo-poo the thread if reports are true.

I'm still unsure if a deal between central division teams would be plausible, but the Pacers are selling, and Sabonis would be ideal to pair with Cade, but I don't think it could get done unless you give up a big fat first round pick.

Turner is also intriguing as he's a shot blocking monster, but I'm unsure of his hops to be honest. I thought he was a little more ground-bound?

Indiana and Toronto make the most sense as far as trading players to "tank" for a high pick to add to young core.

Sabonis, Levert and Turner make Indiana good enough to not get a top 6 pick but not good enough to make a playoff run. They are stuck and internal improvement hasn't gotten them out of mediocrity yet. They need to rest for a younger player, or draft picks that could become much better if they hit.

They should have zero interest in Jerami Grant if they want to get younger and rebuild.

The trade doesn't have to be centered around Grant, but include him as a piece. He's on a perfectly fine contract, and if you throw in young players, and 1st round picks, it's possible.

Like I said, the farm. I am a huge Sabonis fan as he's an excellent passing bigman, right there with Jokic, can score from almost anywhere, sets good picks, and would be amazing next to Cade.

Some may not be as high on him as I am, but I never thought he would be available, so I never gave trade ideas any thought.

The only protected person for me, is Cade.

Post #20 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:32 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Sounds like you all think Indiana says no. I'm not sure where Indiana thinks it's going with the Turner/Sabonis combination, but it seems like they should trade one. I'd trade Turner, personally, but I think he fits their system better.

The issue isn't that people think they shouldn't trade one (or both even). The issue is that the valuation here isn't even close.