ROY WATCH STATS INCLUDED END OF SEASON SOON.

[zeebneeb]

As it's become abundantly clear this team is still a year away, from being a year away, I figured we can all at least bask in the glow of the Pistons shiny new rookie, and track stats, which ill update every day, the leaderboards for various stats. We can also post videos, and other newsworthy items.

POINTS

1.Cade Cunningham 17.5 PG/SG
2.Jalen Green 17.0SG
3.Scottie Barnes 15.5SG/SF
4.Franz Wagner 15.2SF/PF
5.Evan Mobley 14.9PF



REBOUNDS

1.Evan Mobley 8.3
2.Josh Giddy 7.8 PG/SG
3.Scottie Barnes 7.6
4.Jerimiah Earl 5.6 PF/C
5.Cade Cunningham 5.5



ASSISTS

1.Josh Giddy 6.4
2.Cade Cunningham 5.5
3.Jalen Suggs 4.4 PG/SG
4.Davion Mitchell 4.0PG/SG
5.Brandon Williams 3.9PG


STEALS

1.Herbert Jones 1.7PF/C
2.Jose Alvarado 1.3
3.Cade Cunningham 1.2
3.Jalen Suggs 1.2
4.Scottie Barnes 1.1 SF/PF






BLOCKS

1.Evan Mobley 1.6
2.Isaiah Jackson 1.4
3.Alperen Sengun 1.0 PF/C
4.Herbert Jones 0.8
4.Scottie Barnes 0.8

6.Cade Cunningham 0.7

FEILD GOAL %(20mpg-20games)

1.Terry Taylor 62.6%
2.Ayo Dosunmu 51.7%
3.Evan Mobley 50.6%
4.Scottie Barnes 49.1%
5.Herbert Jones 47.5%


...
15.Cade Cunningham 41.8%

3-POINT %(20mpg-20games 2attemps+)

1.Ayotte Dosunmu 2.4A 0.9M 37.1%
2.Chris Duarte 4.6A 1.7M 36.9%
3.Duane Wash. Jr. 4.5A 1.6M 36.6%
4.Tre Mann 4.5A 1.6M 36.0%
5.Kessler Edwards 2.8A 1.0M 35.9%




12.Cade Cunningham 5.7A 1.8M 31.8%

TOTAL 3 POINTERS MADE/ATTEMPTS

1.Jalen Green 153(444A)
2.Bones Hyland 125 (344A)
3.Cade Cunningham 114 (358A)
4.Corey Kispert 106 (307A)
5.Davion Mitchell 99(313A)



FREE THROW ATTEMPTS

1.Evan Mobley 3.6
2.Jalen Suggs 3.5
3.Jalen Green 3.4
4.Alperan Sengun 3.3
5.Scottie Barnes 3.0

...
7.Cade Cunningham 2.6


MINUTES PER GAME

1.Scottie Barnes 35.5
2.Evan Mobley 33.9
3.Cade Cunningham 32.5
4.Jalen Green 31.7
4.Josh Giddey 31.5

TURNOVERS

1.Cade Cunningham 3.6
2.Josh Giddy 3.2
3.Jalen Suggs 3.0
4.Jalen Green 2.0
4.Alperen Sengun 2.0

DOUBLE DOUBLES

1.Evan Mobley 20
2.Josh Giddy 16
3.Scottie Barnes 12
4.Cade Cunningham 10
5.Omer Yurtseven 8




TRIPLE DOUBLES

1.Josh Giddy 4
2.Cade Cunningham 2

CLUTCH POINTS

LAST 5 MIN/5 POINT DIFF OR LESS

1.Cade Cunningham 67
2.Even Mobley 56
2.Franz Wagner 56
4.Scottie Barnes 54
5.Herbert Jones 46



(NBA TOTAL Cade is 35th OVERALL)



DOUBLE TEAM STATS(amount a player is DT)

AVE pdt per game/%pdt/ave team ppp/gp

1 Luka Doncic 18.2 31.2% 1.14 40
2 James Harden 17.3 28.4% 1.06 44
3 Ja Morant 17.2 31.7% 1.16 43
4 Shai Gilgeous. 17.0 31.5% 1.06 43
5 Giannis. 16.0 34.6%1.21 46
6 Fred VanVleet 15.3 28.1% 1.23 48
7 Joel Embiid 14.5 32.5% 1.07 42
8 DeMar DeRozan 14.3 30.5% 1.08 51
9 Trae Young 14.2 23.1% 1.19 49
10 Russell West. 14.0 26.6% 1.16 55
11 Bradley Beal 14.0 27.7% 1.25 40
12 Jayson Tatum 13.9 30.5% 1.12 52
13 Pascal Siakam 13.8 31.2% 1.20 40
14 Kevin Durant 13.8 29.1% 1.13 36
15 Darius Garland 13.8 24.8% 1.06 45
16 Jrue Holiday 13.7 28.6% 1.18 43
17 Tyrese Maxey 13.4 24.8% 1.12 47
18 Cade Cunninghan 13.2 28.0% 0.99 41
19 LeBron James 13.2 24.7% 1.21 39
20 Stephen Curry 13.1 25.5% 1.15 50

CADE CUNNINGHAM CURRENT %'s 63 GAMES

FG 41.8%
3P% 31.8%
FT% 84.3%

BONUS MATCH UP'S CADE VS PISTON GREAT ROOKIES PER 36

Cade-19.3ppg/6.1rpg/6.1apg/63games/20yo

Isiah-18.1ppg/3.1rpg/8.4apg/72games/20yo

Hill-18.7ppg/6.0rpg/4.7aph/70games/22yo



If there are any other stats you want to watch here at the click of a finger, let me know!






*EDIT* Added Free throw attempts~Mogolo
*EDIT* Added Rankings movement
*EDIT* Added FG% 3P%~Snakebites
*EDIT* Added losing streak~Casey
*EDIT* Added Position~breezypeezy
*EDIT* Added Total 3 pointers~GreekAlex
*EDIT* Added double team stats~zeebneeb
*EDIT* Added clutch points~zeebneeb
UPDATED 4/7 4:19PM

[Pharaoh]

Why is this relevant?

For some of y'all Cade is in competition with other draftees in their rookie years.

For me it's not about him vs some other kid. It's just not.

There's a bigger picture to be seen.

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[Kalamazoo317]

It's relevant because awards are fun and culturally impactful and it's nice to have a potential sliver of happiness in what's promising to be a mostly losing season.

Winning or losing ROY won't make or break Cade's career. But it'd be cool to have a Piston win it.

It'd be the first time since, what, Grant Hill split one with Jason Kidd?

[Manocad]

It's relevant because awards are fun and culturally impactful and it's nice to have a potential sliver of happiness in what's promising to be a mostly losing season.

Winning or losing ROY won't make or break Cade's career. But it'd be cool to have a Piston win it.

It'd be the first time since, what, Grant Hill split one with Jason Kidd?

Trust me, there are posters here who clearly wanted a player other than Cade to be drafted, so they're using ROY as a barometer of whether or not Cade was the right draft pick. It's a stealthy way to try to justify that the Pistons made a mistake if someone other than Cade wins ROY, because said posters aren't man enough to just say "I wanted Mobley and still would rather have Mobley because I like Mobley, and I don't like it that I didn't get what I wanted."

Would it be nice for us Pistons fans? Sure, I'd be happy for Cade. But I'd want Cade to win ROY because that would mean he was playing really well, at least relative to his draft class, and clearly when Cade plays well the Pistons do better. I don't place any value on the award in and of itself. If Cade won ROY but hypothetically looked out of place on the Pistons and it didn't appear he was a true building block even though he had good numbers, I wouldn't care one bit about the award.

[MotownMadness]

Still almost 60 games left, he can do this. Right now Mobley and Barnes to some degree are viewed at the top but Cade can pass them.

Mobley might be hard to beat though because of his impact on the team already.

[zeebneeb]

Why is this relevant?

For some of y'all Cade is in competition with other draftees in their rookie years.

For me it's not about him vs some other kid. It's just not.

There's a bigger picture to be seen.

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Because it's a Pistons discussion board? First #1 pick in 50 years? He's a player on the team? He is in fact in competition with other rookies for this very award?

In order of relevance to this board, especially considering the teams success as a whole right now, I'd say it's near the top, if not at the top.

[bstein14]

It's for sure going to be the thing that keeps fans interested as we move through the season. Cade has already taken big strides from a few weeks ago. He's more confident in his shot and is getting more comfortable in the NBA.

I'd say that ROY is really a 3 pony race with Cade, Barnes and Mobley although a dark horse candidate could emerge. Green for Houston was a ROY favorite for many but its clear his athleticism carried him and that his skillset still needs a lot of work so he is out of the conversation.

Mobley's team exceeding expectations plus his impact on the defensive side of the ball helps him a lot in this race, BUT Cade will likely score more PPG in his role with Detroit and certainly have more APG while keeping it close in rebounds. Barnes also has greatly exceeded expectations but he is likely option #4 at best for Toronto while Cade will get the lion's share of touches for Detroit.

I think Cade has a better than 33% chance of winning this award, even with his slow shooting start to the season. I'm all-in on him getting it because its really the one thing to look forward to for this team. It also might help, at least a little bit, in recruiting a FA or two in the offseason.... having a promising young star like Cade on the team.

For the month of December our competition is a little bit easier and I'm hoping we continue to see Cade putting up 20+ PPG for the month of December on good shooting %s so he can notch the Rookie of the Month award from the Eastern conference. Those are going to be much harder to win in the East than the West for sure.

[Laimbeer]

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[Snakebites]

It's worth discussing. I don't consider it to be super important or anything like that, but it would be a nice feather in the cap for him to get the award.

The following guys since 2011 ended up being (at least in my mind) the best players in their draft and lost out on rookie of the year:

Giannis
Kawhi
PG13
Mitchell
Sabonis/Brown
Embiid/Jokic
Anthony Davis

In other words, more of then than not, the guy who retroactively was the best player in the draft class does NOT win ROY.

There's a couple in there who lost because someone drafted the previous year was a rookie that year (Simmons beat out Mitchell, Blake won over PG13), but Paul George wasn't even all rookie first that year, and I think most would agree that Mitchell ended up better than Simmons regardless.

We won't know who the best guy in the draft was for a number of years yet.

[Liqourish]

For all the bust talk about Cade to start the season, coming off an injury, he's really right there at the top. I really don't see how Barnes and Mobley are far ahead of him, other than they play for better teams.

Cade: 14.9 pts 6.6 rebs 4.6 asts 1.3 stls 0.6 blks .379 fg% .308 3pt% .844 ft% in 31.7 mpg in 18 GP
Mobley: 14.0 pts 8.1 rebs 2.6 asts 0.9 stls 1.8 blks .465 fg% .333 3pt% .785 ft% in 33.9 mpg in 21 GP
Barnes: 15.1 pts 8.0 rebs 3.2 asts 1.2 stls 0.8 blk .489 fg% .357 3pt% .723 ft% in 35.6 mpg in 22 GP

The two forwards are averaging 1 rpg more than the PG. The PG is averaging more apg than the forwards. Nothing shocking. Outside of team success, their stats are pretty even despite Cade playing less minutes. If he can continue to get his shooting percentages up, and cut down on the TOs... I don't see how he's left out of this discussion.

[Liqourish]

And FSAG-

Cade: 14.9 pts 6.6 rebs 4.6 asts 1.3 stls 0.6 blk .379 fg% .308 3pt% .844 ft% in 31.7 mpg in 18 GP/Pistons 0-5 w/o Cade
Green: 14.0 pts 3.1 rebs 2.3 asts 0.6 stls 0.2 blk .382 fg% .278 3pt% .807 ft% in 30.8 mpg in 18 GP/Rockets 5-0 w/o Green

Considering Green was touted as the better shooter/scorer, their shooting woes are pretty even.

[bstein14]

For all the bust talk about Cade to start the season, coming off an injury, he's really right there at the top. I really don't see how Barnes and Mobley are far ahead of him, other than they play for better teams.

Cade: 14.9 pts 6.6 rebs 4.6 asts 1.3 stls 0.6 blks .379 fg% .308 3pt% .844 ft% in 31.7 mpg in 18 GP
Mobley: 14.0 pts 8.1 rebs 2.6 asts 0.9 stls 1.8 blks .465 fg% .333 3pt% .785 ft% in 33.9 mpg in 21 GP
Barnes: 15.1 pts 8.0 rebs 3.2 asts 1.2 stls 0.8 blk .489 fg% .357 3pt% .723 ft% in 35.6 mpg in 22 GP

The two forwards are averaging 1 rpg more than the PG. The PG is averaging more apg than the forwards. Nothing shocking. Outside of team success, their stats are pretty even despite Cade playing less minutes. If he can continue to get his shooting percentages up, and cut down on the TOs... I don't see how he's left out of this discussion.

Cade shooting the ball much worse than Mobley/Barnes, while turning it over a lot more, and being 3rd best defender out of the three at the moment puts him in third place. He's going to need to separate himself a bit with overall scoring and also close the gaps on those shooting %s to give himself a strong case for ROY. Right now he is easily in third place, but he is trending in the right direction and closing that cap the past week or two.

[Manocad]

I've posted this before relative to their stats. Aside from a couple of flyer games, Mobley's and Barnes' stats stay pretty consistent with their averages. Point being, what you're looking at now appears to be what can be expected from them for the remainder of the season. Cade on the other hand went through a pretty rough stretch to start which is driving his averages now, but aside from the turnovers he's been pretty damn impressive the last few games. If what we've seen the last few games is indicative of what can be expected from Cade as the norm, or something closer to that than how he performed during the rough stretch, he'll easily be ROY. Put something like 18.5 PPG, 7.5 rebs and 5.0 asts while getting TO's down to 2.5 (from his current 3.8) up against Mobley's and Barnes' stats, assuming they maintain where they're at currently, and it's a no-brainer. Especially given the role he plays.

[Liqourish]

For all the bust talk about Cade to start the season, coming off an injury, he's really right there at the top. I really don't see how Barnes and Mobley are far ahead of him, other than they play for better teams.

Cade: 14.9 pts 6.6 rebs 4.6 asts 1.3 stls 0.6 blks .379 fg% .308 3pt% .844 ft% in 31.7 mpg in 18 GP
Mobley: 14.0 pts 8.1 rebs 2.6 asts 0.9 stls 1.8 blks .465 fg% .333 3pt% .785 ft% in 33.9 mpg in 21 GP
Barnes: 15.1 pts 8.0 rebs 3.2 asts 1.2 stls 0.8 blk .489 fg% .357 3pt% .723 ft% in 35.6 mpg in 22 GP

The two forwards are averaging 1 rpg more than the PG. The PG is averaging more apg than the forwards. Nothing shocking. Outside of team success, their stats are pretty even despite Cade playing less minutes. If he can continue to get his shooting percentages up, and cut down on the TOs... I don't see how he's left out of this discussion.

Cade shooting the ball much worse than Mobley/Barnes, while turning it over a lot more, and being 3rd best defender out of the three at the moment puts him in third place. He's going to need to separate himself a bit with overall scoring and also close the gaps on those shooting %s to give himself a strong case for ROY. Right now he is easily in third place, but he is trending in the right direction and closing that cap the past week or two.

He's shooting worse, but trending in the right direction. He's not going to be a 46+% fg shooter, he's not a forward. If he gets to 42-44%, he's right where he should be. He's also the better free throw shooter, but gets absolutely no love from the refs. He's currently 132nd in the league in FTA/per game. Mobley is 60th, Barnes is 63rd. Despite Cade going inside at will right now and getting massive contact (he's had 2 fta in his last 4 games, combined).

Cade does need to cut down on turnovers, but he's also the primary ball handler for Detroit, whereas Barnes and Mobley are 3rd-4th options. Cade has a USG rating of 26.3, Barnes is 19.5, Mobley's is 18.7. Look at guys who are the high USG (25+) players for their teams, Lebron, Embiid, Giannis, Harden, etc. Their TOs are on par with Cade's. I'm not saying Cade is those level of talent players, I'm saying his USG is as high as theirs and their career TOs match Cade's. He's not an outlier there. He is compared to guys who aren't handling the ball as much. But these guys also get to the line, which is why their deficiencies are overlooked. Cade doesn't have that luxury (yet if ever). He has to adjust.

[Liqourish]

I've posted this before relative to their stats. Aside from a couple of flyer games, Mobley's and Barnes' stats stay pretty consistent with their averages. Point being, what you're looking at now appears to be what can be expected from them for the remainder of the season. Cade on the other hand went through a pretty rough stretch to start which is driving his averages now, but aside from the turnovers he's been pretty damn impressive the last few games. If what we've seen the last few games is indicative of what can be expected from Cade as the norm, or something closer to that than how he performed during the rough stretch, he'll easily be ROY. Put something like 18.5 PPG, 7.5 rebs and 5.0 asts while getting TO's down to 2.5 (from his current 3.8) up against Mobley's and Barnes' stats, assuming they maintain where they're at currently, and it's a no-brainer. Especially given the role he plays.

I don't see him getting TOs under 3 with his high USG rate. All the high USG rate guys have 3+ to/gm, but they are superstars and no one mentions it in the grand scheme of things. If he can get to 3 per game and start getting to the line, I don't think it'll be as much of an issue. But now, all those hacks that don't get called result in turnovers.

[Manocad]

I've posted this before relative to their stats. Aside from a couple of flyer games, Mobley's and Barnes' stats stay pretty consistent with their averages. Point being, what you're looking at now appears to be what can be expected from them for the remainder of the season. Cade on the other hand went through a pretty rough stretch to start which is driving his averages now, but aside from the turnovers he's been pretty damn impressive the last few games. If what we've seen the last few games is indicative of what can be expected from Cade as the norm, or something closer to that than how he performed during the rough stretch, he'll easily be ROY. Put something like 18.5 PPG, 7.5 rebs and 5.0 asts while getting TO's down to 2.5 (from his current 3.8) up against Mobley's and Barnes' stats, assuming they maintain where they're at currently, and it's a no-brainer. Especially given the role he plays.

I don't see him getting TOs under 3 with his high USG rate. All the high USG rate guys have 3+ to/gm, but they are superstars and no one mentions it in the grand scheme of things. If he can get to 3 per game and start getting to the line, I don't think it'll be as much of an issue. But now, all those hacks that don't get called result in turnovers.

For sure. Especially if he can bump up the assists to 6 and achieve the bellwether stat of at least a 2-1 assists to TO's ratio. Which shouldn't be an issue if guys start hitting their shots and one bad pass a game that would result in a TO becomes a good pass that results in an assist. That's not a terribly tall order.

[Billl]

I'd be pretty shocked if Cade doesn't average significantly more than 15 ppg the rest of the way. His shot wasn't going to go awol forever.

I'd also be pretty surprised if his Rebounds, assists, or To's change significantly. He's already a good rebounder and he's not getting better teammates that can knock down shots this year. And generally it takes a while for young guys to get their TO's under control if they handle the ball a ton.

[zeebneeb]

If Cade continues on his current trajectory (past several games)his averages are going to spike quickly, and it won't take long for him to pass Barnes as the leading rookie scorer. If he does indeed continue it, he will end up well over a 20ppg scorer.

Cades percentages are outstanding over this stretch as well, and if continued, will dramatically raise his overall percentages.

We'll see. Its very uncommon for rookies to be able to sustain excellence. It's usually a dramatic up, then down, and so on and so forth. Hell, as Cade was getting settled (granted he didn't have the luxury of training camp, and preseason)he has gone from horrific, to excellent in a matter of weeks.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him slump again soon.

[breezypeezy]

Magic was between 3.7 and 4.0 to's every season and for his rook season his assist to turnover ratio was below 2 to 1.
Albeit from the soph year on he was well above that 2 to 1 ratio.

[Pandev]

The kids is clearly finding his rhythm and the game is slowing down for him now some 16 games into his NBA career.

What impresses my the most is that his game don’t rely on uber athletic and leaping ability. His basketball iq is what makes him great at putting the ball in the hoop.

Imagine this kid after he hits the weight room and some plyometrics in 3 years time.

He has some real fire and desire to be great…. I can see it.