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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265596/Pistons-Split-On-Whether-To-Trade-Jerami-Grant

It seems like Tellum wants to trade Grant and would do an "immediate" trade that's on the table now, where Weaver prefers to keep Grant unless a deal comes through that is too good to pass up. This certainly isn't the first time we've heard about a split in management for Detroit, as it was also previously rumored there wasn't a consensus on keeping the #1 pick. Hard to say home many people get voices but its interesting to see that its leaked that we aren't on the same page with this. You'd hope Weaver would have final say, perhaps with needing only the approval of Gores but I'm not 100% certain that Weaver has full control over every decision being made here. One thing that is certain is, we keep hearing that its known that whoever trades for him or if we keep him that Grant is going to want his max extension this summer, worth about $112 million over 4 seasons.

The front office of the Detroit Pistons may be split on whether to trade Jerami Grant at the deadline.

Marc Stein writes that "Arn Tellem [is] said to be open to an immediate trade" of Grant. This presumably means that Troy Weaver would prefer to retain Grant, who has outplayed expectations since signing with the Pistons in 2020.

Grant has one season remaining on his contract and is seeking a four-year extension worth more than $100 million this offseason. Grant also wants to maintain a big role within his team's offense, which was a major reason why he left the Denver Nuggets.

The Sacramento Kings have been linked to Grant, but it is unclear if they can assemble a satisfactory trade package. The Atlanta Hawks are said to not be in active pursuit of Grant.

Interesting….

Grant’s value is higher now that it will be next season.

Next season, he will be on his last year of his contract. He’ll be on the verge of becoming an UFA. Teams that see him as a player they’d like to sign will be reluctant to trade assets for him knowing they can simply wait to sign him as a FA. The EXACT same reason it makes zero sense for us to trade for Jalen Smith or Jaden Brunson this season. Only teams looking at him as a playoff push guy will have interest in trading for him - and won’t give top dollar for him.

Now, that being said, I get the notion that with guys like Cade and Bey developing, maybe some want to keep him to see what we have.

I just think it’s time to cash in before we lose a good amount of our chips.

I smell kabuki theater.

Also, I want to know the details of this “immediate" trade that's on the table now.

The extension part is what gets me, just really lukewarm on a potential one. No doubt he plays well and is up there with the likes of John Collins, Harrison Barnes, and maybe even Wiggins (pre all star starter) but it just seems needlessly prolonged with no real benefit nor need with Cade stepping up with Diallo and Bey right behind him

I like Grant but not at 28 mil per, so it makes sense to trade him.

Tellem does have considerable influence but it's hard to imagine a trade happening if Weaver just straight up doesn't want to do it.

Marc Stein is usually pretty reliable.

If this is true put me squarely in the “he most likely won’t be traded” camp.

Can't wait til this stops being a story. Less than two weeks to go now.

If you trade him, fine, just make sure you get near equal value.

If you keep him, fine, just 1) don't allow him be a ball-stopper anymore, and 2) don't let him walk for nothing after next season.

He's a good player. No doubt about it. He had a point to prove, and he certainly did that. If we don't trade him now, there's always next year if we still suck. If we don't still suck, and things are coming together for an impending playoff push within the next year or so, then we can consider extending him if he's so inclined. But again, just can't let him walk off into the free agency sunset.

We all have our own vision of how we think the Pistons should build around Cade now that it's become obvious he's the man, but none of us will really know for sure what the outcome (effect long term)of this offseason will be for a very long time.

Keep or trade Grant, is going to have a huge impact on Cade, one way or another.

I'm of the mind that immediately moving him so it solidifies Cade as the #1 unquestioned leader of the team is the correct course of action, dependant of course in what is returned. Young players that can grow with Cade has a good track record with other young burgeoning stars, so that's where I'm at. The offense when run thru Cade, and with him making the decisions has at times looked amazing.

Now on the other hand, as I can't see the future, maybe Grant accepts his new role as sidekick, and with another top draft pick, the Pistons take off next year. Who the hell knows. I just know what I would do, offer dependant of course, and it really sounds like Tellam wants Grant moved now for this supposed deal.

*shrug*

The one thing that makes me a little skeptical is that the article doesn't directly say it's Weaver that doesn't want to move him.

It certainly makes contextual and narrative sense that it's him though. But that's lead me down the wrong path before.

I don't think there is an "immediate" trade on the table based on the wording of that news report. I read it as Arn has made up his mind that Jerami should be traded and others (likely Weaver included) haven't made up their minds one way or another. I would imagine for some it'll depend on what trade offers are made.

The reasons why a good trade offer for Grant may not materialize have been reiterated here which brings me back to something I've said before--it takes two to tango. The possibility exists that no trade happens this year or next. Consider:

If no team wants Grant because they know he's a free agent after next year, are really more interested in him long term if he's available after next year, they could sign him anyway (assuming they're willing to pay $28M a year) so there's no point trading for him now.

If no team wants him to be #1 option and he wants to be the #1 option, there's no point in trading for him now.

If no team thinks he's worth $28M a year, there's no point in trading for him now.

So what's that leave?
A team who either is:
A) only interested in Grant right now for a one year rental/championship run, or
B) wants him long term and is willing to pay him $28M/year and let him be #1 option, or
C) both A and B
If those teams aren't out there a trade doesn't get made.

Now, the worst case scenario for the Pistons is that no trade is made now or next year, Grant can't coexist with Cade in the sense that both can play at the top of their game when on the floor together, and the Pistons let a disgruntled Grant walk in free agency getting nothing for him. Does that really put the Pistons in that bad a position? They'd be in the same position they're in right now physically without Grant on the floor--pretend he doesn't exist--figuring out how to put a good roster together, have a top draft pick coming up, and have plenty of cap space opening up which obviously only improves if Grant isn't re-signed. You think they've got monster cap space after this year? Take a look at what it looks like for 2023-24 without Grant.

My point is simple--don't automatically assume it's a failure on the organization's part if Grant isn't traded this season or next, or if they're willing to trade him for a weak offer just to get SOMETHING, because it takes two to tango. Don't look at it as what you DON'T have in that worst case scenario--Grant's value in returned assets. Look at what you DO still have--a high draft pick and lots of money to add players. And don't overlook that Grant is still an expiring deal after next year which has some value.

Basically, a trade for Grant that doesn't return equal value isn't something to lament over because it doesn't put the Pistons in a BAD position; it just means their situation isn't as good as it could be in a best case scenario.

No, I definitely read that as there's a trade on the table, a standing offer of some sorts or at least a promise to talk more if interested. But we will probably never know what the offer is, and while Hoopshype should be fun for the next few weeks, honestly I kind of think a deal would have already happened. It's not like Weaver is exceptionally patient.

I get this feeling of tension that the front office is just holding patient, holding for the best offer, holding, holding, ("Don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes!!").

"May be split"

"Presumably"

In other words this is nothing but a article generated cause it's trade season and Grant is a possible target for multiple teams.

Perhaps this is also Arn using his contacts in the media in a attempt to get other teams to up their offers so there's no "split"

There's that much smoke blown this time of year I don't put much stock in any article until the deal is announced as official

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Pharaoh wrote:"May be split"

"Presumably"

In other words this is nothing but a article generated cause it's trade season and Grant is a possible target for multiple teams.

Perhaps this is also Arn using his contacts in the media in a attempt to get other teams to up their offers so there's no "split"

There's that much smoke blown this time of year I don't put much stock in any article until the deal is announced as official

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I'll go one step further and point out the nothingness of this article.

The front office of the Detroit Pistons may be split on whether to trade Jerami Grant at the deadline.

Ok. I'll go with that. Now let's see why.

Marc Stein writes that "Arn Tellem [is] said to be open to an immediate trade" of Grant.

There's the position of one side, and it's weak--"is said to be." Not that Arn Tellem himself said he's open to an immediate trade of Grant, but "is said to be"--meaning by someone else. Weak, but ok; got it.

This presumably means that Troy Weaver would prefer to retain Grant, who has outplayed expectations since signing with the Pistons in 2020.

You see the complete, 100%, undisputed circular argument there? There is no confirmation of Weaver's position in any way, strong or even weak. The writing uses its own presumption as evidence of...its own presumption.

So basically this is 100% garbage. Not to say that Tellem and Weaver's opinions don't differ, but this article offers no justification for that argument in any way since Weaver's side is never presented. If you put this all in one sentence it would be "There may be split because Arn Tellem wants to trade Grant which would mean Weaver doesn't, meaning there may be split."

If they get a decent offer I hope they trade him. I don't think his on court play is that good where he can't he replace with a fa signing and that isn't even counting whoever they get in the trade back. I think that would setup the rebuild nicely.

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I think most sports writers writing about trade rumors, unless they have direct quotes from the person, use vague wording that is not in absolutes. Of course Weaver's desire to keep Grant is purely speculative at this point, but he has been close with Grant and supported him throughout the Olympic process this past summer so I think it says a lot about their relationship and it's a good sign in general that we have a "player's GM".... you just don't want them to get too close to the players that it clouds their judgement if a deal comes along that we should take. Having said that, we saw Weaver trade away one of his guys he really likes in McGruder for Bol Bol which was the right move for a rebuilding team but its also been discussed about how Weaver has close ties to McGruder and really likes him as a person & player. Troy has known McGruder since he was a little kid.

“Troy’s like an uncle to me. Grew up in the same neighborhood,” McGruder said Thursday as the Pistons wrapped up practice in Phoenix. “I’ve known him all my life. That relationship, he’s family."

That said, perhaps the biggest thing from this article is the fact that it seems Tellum still has a pretty significant voice in the front office despite Weaver being the GM.

Of course Arn has a significant voice in the front office!

You don't hire him and then silence him!

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