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Killian Hayes is shooting his best 2 point FG% of his 3 point percentage is just 15.4% (2 of 13 in 9 games). His highest TO month by far but could be due to playing with a new set of teammates off the bench.

Bey shooting his best % from 3 at 39.0%, has his best offensive ranking, and averaging 18.0 PPG even with Grant back is our leading scorer.

Cade just 4 games played, hasn't looked the same since coming back with just 12.5 PPG on poor shooting %s. Safe to say he won't be following up his January ROM award with another in February but hopefully this AS break gives him a chance to get back on track.

Stewart averaging a double double with 10.1 PPG and 10.8 RPG this month in 28.9 MPG, his best month of the season.

Jerami Grant 16.1 PPG, in 29.5 MPG... he's seemingly taken a back seat to Bey and Cade in FGAs and has transitioned to a different role with the team which I think everyone wanted to see (just 12.8 FGAs per game). His rebounding numbers are a sad 2.8 RPG.

Diallo scoring 13.3 PPG and grabbing 6.4 RPG in just 22.7 MPG he makes things happen in his limited minutes. His usage this month is 23.2% which is the highest of any month... his 3 point shooting this month is just 17.6% (3 of 17). Just 3 TOs in 9 games is great.

Now that Grant is proving to be more then capable of playing alongside Cade and Bey has anyone changed their opinion on wanting to keep him?

MotorCade2 wrote:Now that Grant is proving to be more then capable of playing alongside Cade and Bey has anyone changed their opinion on wanting to keep him?

Nope, he still needs to be flipped for a 1st ASAP.

Guess I'm gonna eat some crow on thinking Grant was gonna mess with Bey's development. Bey hasn't missed a beat and Grant is not trying to take over Cade and Bey's team.

MotownMadness wrote:Guess I'm gonna eat some crow on thinking Grant was gonna mess with Bey's development. Bey hasn't missed a beat and Grant is not trying to take over Cade and Bey's team.

I never understood why the thought ever existed that Grant was the one holding Bey back when Bey plays the exact same way regardless of if Grant is playing, whether he has the letters "SF" or "PF" next to his name in the lineup card or whatever.

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DetroitSho wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:Guess I'm gonna eat some crow on thinking Grant was gonna mess with Bey's development. Bey hasn't missed a beat and Grant is not trying to take over Cade and Bey's team.

I never understood why the thought ever existed that Grant was the one holding Bey back when Bey plays the exact same way regardless of if Grant is playing, whether he has the letters "SF" or "PF" next to his name in the lineup card or whatever.

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I was just thinking more like Bey losing FGAs due to adding back another high volume player.

MotownMadness wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:Guess I'm gonna eat some crow on thinking Grant was gonna mess with Bey's development. Bey hasn't missed a beat and Grant is not trying to take over Cade and Bey's team.

I never understood why the thought ever existed that Grant was the one holding Bey back when Bey plays the exact same way regardless of if Grant is playing, whether he has the letters "SF" or "PF" next to his name in the lineup card or whatever.

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I was just thinking more like Bey losing FGAs due to adding back another high volume player.

That was always a crap narrative seeing as how Bey didn't have a huge spike in FGAs with Grant out.

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If Jerami can continue to rein in his shot attempts for a better shot for the team, then it'll be better. We really don't need his ISOs as previously thought so it's good to see his shot attempts down. He still has his moments of calling his number but he does pass more which is always a good thing

DBC10 wrote:If Jerami can continue to rein in his shot attempts for a better shot for the team, then it'll be better. We really don't need his ISOs as previously thought so it's good to see his shot attempts down. He still has his moments of calling his number but he does pass more which is always a good thing

Literally everybody on the team who handles the ball at a decent rate goes rogue. Jerami is not going to be a strictly catch and shoot guy, and that's ok.

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If Grant takes this lesser role, is he willing to take less than $112 million on a contract extension this summer? I would have also assumed with his contract in the balance, that he would have been a bit more offense oriented.

Would be great if he signed something with incentives.... $100 million guaranteed and then some extra for hitting certain incentives.

23-24: $23 million guaranteed + $1 million for all defensive team + $1 million for making the playoffs
24-25: $25 million guaranteed + $1 million for all defensive team + $1 million for making the playoffs
25-26: $27 million guaranteed + $1 million for all defensive team + $1 million for making the playoffs
26-27: $29 million guaranteed + $1 million for all defensive team + $1 million for making the playoffs
Total 4 years $104 million guaranteed with $8 million in bonuses instead of just the $112 million all guaranteed.

Doubtful. But still, big picture, there’s basically no difference between 4/104 and 4/112.

Piston Pete wrote:Doubtful. But still, big picture, there’s basically no difference between 4/104 and 4/112.

Yeah, if its considered unlikely it won't count against the cap though so we'll have a little more room potentially. Also, we've barely spend the full cap the past few seasons but when the extension kicks in we'll start to have years where we are up against the luxury tax if Cade ends up being a max salary player.... along with a likely $20+ million per season extension for Bey if he progressing as a player next year. In just a little over a year guys like Bey and Stewart will be eligible for extensions after having played 3 seasons with us.

bstein14 wrote:

Piston Pete wrote:Doubtful. But still, big picture, there’s basically no difference between 4/104 and 4/112.

Yeah, if its considered unlikely it won't count against the cap though so we'll have a little more room potentially. Also, we've barely spend the full cap the past few seasons but when the extension kicks in we'll start to have years where we are up against the luxury tax if Cade ends up being a max salary player.... along with a likely $20+ million per season extension for Bey if he progressing as a player next year. In just a little over a year guys like Bey and Stewart will be eligible for extensions after having played 3 seasons with us.

With Bey and Stew up for extensions along with Diallo mixed in there somewhere, then no, I don't think it's particularly wise to max out Grant or dip into near luxury tax to keep all of them. Unless they actually show something promising in the playoffs in the next 2...maybe 3 years that's a different argument. But I think we're still a year or two away from that unless we really hit the next draft pick and Cade and Co improves

bstein14 wrote:If Grant takes this lesser role, is he willing to take less than $112 million on a contract extension this summer? I would have also assumed with his contract in the balance, that he would have been a bit more offense oriented.

Would be great if he signed something with incentives.... $100 million guaranteed and then some extra for hitting certain incentives.

23-24: $23 million guaranteed + $1 million for all defensive team + $1 million for making the playoffs
24-25: $25 million guaranteed + $1 million for all defensive team + $1 million for making the playoffs
25-26: $27 million guaranteed + $1 million for all defensive team + $1 million for making the playoffs
26-27: $29 million guaranteed + $1 million for all defensive team + $1 million for making the playoffs
Total 4 years $104 million guaranteed with $8 million in bonuses instead of just the $112 million all guaranteed.

It seems to me that he not only has to take "this lesser role" but also has to play it better--i.e. increase his production in the usual complementary categories like rebounds, assists.

It would seem strange indeed if we deemed Grant worth this kind of extension simply because he's willing to shoot less - which I know you aren't implying. He also has to do more in other areas, which he hasn't so far, not since his return anyway.

These kinds of extension numbers made sense last summer since we probably still imagined him to be our go-to guy of the future, a borderline all-star, etc. But now that we want him to play a more complementary role going forward, it seems to me that he has to play that role better than he did this past month to justify this kind of an extension. Otherwise, why not get that kind of production elsewhere for cheaper?

Going into the season there was no way to know what exactly we had in Cade. But now that he's proven to be the new team alpha and Grant therefore needs to be demoted basically, it's just not clear how well Grant is suited for this new role and what he's worth if he is well suited. (If he is well suited, he's of course worth whatever it would cost to get his production elsewhere.) Thankfully we have the remainder of the season to make a determination.

I think I'm repeating what others have said and/or implied.

Side note: I like Grant a lot as a player.