S&T deals for Ayton

[zeebneeb]

Something that needs to be part of the discussion is the fact that Ayton rarely ever has plays run for him in the post by PHX. This is insane to me, as Ayton does have a post game, that is underutilized to a degree that drives me nuts.

Having set plays for Ayton in the post, so he can make that pass out to the shooters would be a huge added benefit here in Detroit. Cade is going to shoot much better from 3 next season, think 35%+, and of the team adds Smith, Ayton would have 3 legitimate targets surrounding him.

That wrinkle added to the offense would be dynamic as hell.

[440BB]

If Ayton is offered the max by another team, the Pistons may end up going after a serviceable center the offering team is going to unload at a reasonable price. I don't want to see the Pistons commit more than $25 million per season to Ayton and I suspect somebody else will.

[stylesofpunk]

I just am on the fence with this.


Ayton with Cade bey our draft pick and either grant or what asset we can get for him. Along with Hayes Livers and Stewart would be a really nice group

But same time


Cade Bey draft pick grant or what we get for him Hayes Livers Stewart and a smaller signing like Claxton or Hartenstein and cap room for another signing and future cap opening

[bstein14]

I would take Brunson + Hartenstein over Ayton. But I'd take Ayton over Claxton + Mitchell Robinson.

[ComboGuardCity]

Ayton still has generational potential and at worst is a 20/10 big. The guy was getting Admiral comps out of school and not many were pushing back on that. He’s relatively low risk imo because there is a chance he flourishes with an expanded role.

[kpt]

After lottery I am coming around to signing Ayton. Draft sharpe/Ivey

Cade / killian
Sharpe or Ivey / daillo
Bey / livers
Grant / bagley (trading Kelly o for space)
Ayton / stewart

Everyone on the team needs to work on shooting if this is the roster though

[DetCade]

People saying they shouldn't give Ayton the max is ridiculous. Pistons need to build a foundation NOW! Cade at PG and Ayton at C. Both are in the early 20's. If pistons don't start winning soon, cade is going to want out of Detroit sooner than later. enough with all these bad signings year after year and get a foundational player to team up with cade. People might say Ayton isn't a foundational player young fella was a key part of the suns the last few years and with a bigger role in Detroit he will be an all-star for years.

Stewart will never be a starting center for a finals team.

[Jsindto]

After lottery I am coming around to signing Ayton. Draft sharpe/Ivey

Cade / killian
Sharpe or Ivey / daillo
Bey / livers
Grant / bagley (trading Kelly o for space)
Ayton / stewart

Everyone on the team needs to work on shooting if this is the roster though

Probably need to send over Grant in a S&T if you want Ayton. You won't just be able to get him for nothing (other than his salary). Even if they don't want him, there's other suitors.

[theBigLip]

After lottery I am coming around to signing Ayton. Draft sharpe/Ivey

Cade / killian
Sharpe or Ivey / daillo
Bey / livers
Grant / bagley (trading Kelly o for space)
Ayton / stewart

Everyone on the team needs to work on shooting if this is the roster though

I've slightly changed my opinion as well. This isn't a bad lineup, and with more playing time together, should improve. This seems like a playoff team to me.

I'd still be up for moving Grant. He's going to be a huge salary if we don't trade him.

[Manocad]

Again, the problem people seem to have with Ayton is that he's not worth $32 million a year. WHO CARES?!? IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY. He definitely would make the team better and a team CAN GO OVER THE SALARY CAP. Where is it written in stone that Gores has refused to exceed the cap in order to put the best team together?

[buzzkilloton]

Again, the problem people seem to have with Ayton is that he's not worth $32 million a year. WHO CARES?!? IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY. He definitely would make the team better and a team CAN GO OVER THE SALARY CAP. Where is it written in stone that Gores has refused to exceed the cap in order to put the best team together?

Salary cap does matter put the blunt down

[Manocad]

Again, the problem people seem to have with Ayton is that he's not worth $32 million a year. WHO CARES?!? IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY. He definitely would make the team better and a team CAN GO OVER THE SALARY CAP. Where is it written in stone that Gores has refused to exceed the cap in order to put the best team together?

Salary cap does matter put the blunt down

That's weird since 24 teams are currently over the salary cap. Maybe YOU need to put the blunt down. It's all about what an owner is willing to spend.

[buzzkilloton]

Again, the problem people seem to have with Ayton is that he's not worth $32 million a year. WHO CARES?!? IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY. He definitely would make the team better and a team CAN GO OVER THE SALARY CAP. Where is it written in stone that Gores has refused to exceed the cap in order to put the best team together?

Salary cap does matter put the blunt down

That's weird since 24 teams are currently over the salary cap. Maybe YOU need to put the blunt down. It's all about what an owner is willing to spend.

That doesnt mean you just go "he makes us better spend it doesnt matter anyways". Eventually you have to give contracts to your young players the tax bill can get out of hand nobody is going to pay a big tax bill to be 2nd round ceiling team.

[Manocad]

Salary cap does matter put the blunt down

That's weird since 24 teams are currently over the salary cap. Maybe YOU need to put the blunt down. It's all about what an owner is willing to spend.

That doesnt mean you just go "he makes us better spend it doesnt matter anyways". Eventually you have to give contracts to your young players the tax bill can get out of hand nobody is going to pay a big tax bill to be 2nd round ceiling team.

Then explain why 24 teams are currently over the cap; I'll wait.

The reason owners are willing to go over the salary cap is because good teams still make money even if they're over the salary cap. If I know I can build a team that has a good shot at winning the championship, exceeds the salary cap and I can still make money, I'm doing it. And apparently there are other owners out there willing to as well.

[buzzkilloton]

That's weird since 24 teams are currently over the salary cap. Maybe YOU need to put the blunt down. It's all about what an owner is willing to spend.

That doesnt mean you just go "he makes us better spend it doesnt matter anyways". Eventually you have to give contracts to your young players the tax bill can get out of hand nobody is going to pay a big tax bill to be 2nd round ceiling team.

Then explain why 24 teams are currently over the cap; I'll wait.

The reason owners are willing to go over the salary cap is because good teams still make money even if they're over the salary cap. If I know I can build a team that has a good shot at winning the championship, exceeds the salary cap and I can still make money, I'm doing it. And apparently there are other owners out there willing to as well.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/tax/

Not every team is willing to go into the luxury tax.You only do it if its going to push you into contention. Hence why u see only 10 contenders going over that much.

If you blow your space on a non shooting big who quits on his team during game 7 of the playoffs yes that cap space matters. Its not a /shrug not my money. Its a we spent are money and now its gone and thats 30mill putting us closer to need to go into a luxury tax. Use the 30mill wisely then it might make sense to go into the luxury tax later since youve built a powerhouse.

[flow]

Salary cap does matter put the blunt down

That's weird since 24 teams are currently over the salary cap. Maybe YOU need to put the blunt down. It's all about what an owner is willing to spend.

That doesnt mean you just go "he makes us better spend it doesnt matter anyways". Eventually you have to give contracts to your young players the tax bill can get out of hand nobody is going to pay a big tax bill to be 2nd round ceiling team.

Ayton IS a young player. He's 23. This is not a Blake Griffin team-crushing reckless desperation 'panic' move.

[MotownMadness]

I say go get him

[buzzkilloton]

That's weird since 24 teams are currently over the salary cap. Maybe YOU need to put the blunt down. It's all about what an owner is willing to spend.

That doesnt mean you just go "he makes us better spend it doesnt matter anyways". Eventually you have to give contracts to your young players the tax bill can get out of hand nobody is going to pay a big tax bill to be 2nd round ceiling team.

Ayton IS a young player. He's 23. This is not a Blake Griffin team-crushing reckless 'panic' move.

I meant eventually we will be giving our young guys like Bey/Stewart/Cade contracts and having 30mill invested into a center isnt going to feel good.

I know what Ayton is. I will take Stewart and random cheap rim protector XXX over Ayton. I think I will not only outproduce him with that but I will save money.

[flow]

That doesnt mean you just go "he makes us better spend it doesnt matter anyways". Eventually you have to give contracts to your young players the tax bill can get out of hand nobody is going to pay a big tax bill to be 2nd round ceiling team.

Ayton IS a young player. He's 23. This is not a Blake Griffin team-crushing reckless 'panic' move.

I meant eventually we will be giving our young guys like Bey/Stewart/Cade contracts and having 30mill invested into a center isnt going to feel good.

I know what Ayton is. I will take Stewart and random cheap rim protector XXX over Ayton. I think I will not only outproduce him with that but I will save money.

Cade is who you have to play. Don't over-value players just because they're on your team. Stewart is a marginal pro. Bey is good, but he's no all-pro. Not at this point, anyway.

[buzzkilloton]

Ayton IS a young player. He's 23. This is not a Blake Griffin team-crushing reckless 'panic' move.

I meant eventually we will be giving our young guys like Bey/Stewart/Cade contracts and having 30mill invested into a center isnt going to feel good.

I know what Ayton is. I will take Stewart and random cheap rim protector XXX over Ayton. I think I will not only outproduce him with that but I will save money.

Cade is who you have to play. Don't over-value players just because they're on your team. Stewart is a marginal pro. Bey is good, but he's no all-pro.

Stewart is a potential starter not a marginal pro. Hes for sure a rotation piece and long term nba player whether we keep him or he plays some where else. Bey is a starter for sure and potentially better then a starter I could see him turning into a T.Harris style player as a ceiling. Stewart was awesomn the last 12 games or so of last season hes only 20.

I can assure you I'm not one to overvalue our players. In most cases I'm on the bear side of our players.

Bey and Stewart were good draft picks that are going into year 3 I would expect us to be paying them. How much they will get paid will depend on how much they improve.