Game 69: Pistons (18-50) @ Heat (45-24) Mar. 15 7:30 PM EST

Post #101 » by **Cowology** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:11 am

Bagley has shown in past seasons that he can actually hit the 3 ball, but he's struggled this year and been terrible in Detroit. He either needs to work on it, or he needs to take a step or two inside. Nothing wrong with that 15-18 footer if he can make it consistently. I'd rather that than watch him shooting bricks from outside.

Post #102 » by **Cowology** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:15 am

Manocad wrote:
Cowology wrote:Good game.

If Bey had been able to shoot at his season avg this is a different game. He's been Hayes level bad these past 5 games.

He's shot 39% from the floor for the season vs Hayes' 36% so he's been barely above Hayes' level all year. He just drops some 3's here and there to put up some points.

You say that like it's not a big deal. Those 3's are HUGE for us and it kills us when he's not making them. It also accounts for a fairly significant margin between their true shooting %'s. Aside from the points themselves the floor spacing they provide is significant. IF Hayes could shoot 3's at that clip I'd be calling for him to start.

mattao313 · Post #103 » by **mattao313** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:18 am

Manocad wrote:
Cowology wrote:Good game.

If Bey had been able to shoot at his season avg this is a different game. He's been Hayes level bad these past 5 games.

He's shot 39% from the floor for the season vs Hayes' 36% so he's been barely above Hayes' level all year. He just drops some 3's here and there to put up some points.

One guy has a 52ts the other has 44ts... But hey they're almost the same... lmao

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Manocad · Post #104 » by **Manocad** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:20 am

Cowology wrote:
Manocad wrote:
Cowology wrote:Good game.

If Bey had been able to shoot at his season avg this is a different game. He's been Hayes level bad these past 5 games.

He's shot 39% from the floor for the season vs Hayes' 36% so he's been barely above Hayes' level all year. He just drops some 3's here and there to put up some points.
You say that like it's not a big deal. Those 3's are HUGE for us and it kills us when he's not making them. It also accounts for a fairly significant margin between their true shooting %'s.

The stats are what they are. From a FG% standpoint Bey isn't a much better shooter than Hayes. He just plays more minutes and shoots a lot more so he scores more. And gives up a f**k ton of points too which is what kills the team when he's not scoring. Give him a free pass if you want but I'd start Livers over him at this point. You talk about players needing to earn their starting minutes; let Bey learn how to play some D to earn his.

DetroitSho · Post #105 » by **DetroitSho** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:21 am

Manocad wrote:
Cowology wrote:Good game.

If Bey had been able to shoot at his season avg this is a different game. He's been Hayes level bad these past 5 games.

He's shot 39% from the floor for the season vs Hayes' 36% so he's been barely above Hayes' level all year. He just drops some 3's here and there to put up some points.

Shhhhh that was the best kept secret, you shouldn't be revealing the truth like that. This info is counterproductive to the Bey narrative around here.

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Post #106 » by **Cowology** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:23 am

Manocad wrote:
Cowology wrote:
Manocad wrote:He's shot 39% from the floor for the season vs Hayes' 36% so he's been barely above Hayes' level all year. He just drops some 3's here and there to put up some points.
You say that like it's not a big deal. Those 3's are HUGE for us and it kills us when he's not making them. It also accounts for a fairly significant margin between their true shooting %'s.

The stats are what they are. From a FG% standpoint Bey isn't a much better shooter than Hayes. He just plays more minutes and shoots a lot more so he scores more.

This is not a serious argument.

zeebneeb · Post #107 » by **zeebneeb** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:23 am

Livers looked really good, and played within himself.

I think he's earned more minutes.

Manocad · Post #108 » by **Manocad** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:27 am

mattao313 wrote:
Manocad wrote:
Cowology wrote:Good game.

If Bey had been able to shoot at his season avg this is a different game. He's been Hayes level bad these past 5 games.

He's shot 39% from the floor for the season vs Hayes' 36% so he's been barely above Hayes' level all year. He just drops some 3's here and there to put up some points.
One guy has a 52ts the other has 44ts... But hey they're almost the same... lmao

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The statement made was that if Bey had shot his season average rather than at Hayes' level it would have been a much different game. Bey shot 4-12 this game. Had he shot 5-12 he'd have been at 41.7% which is higher than his season FG% of 39.3%. So give him one more bucket and this is suddenly a different game? Hayes season FG% is 36.0%. That's not much difference. I know some of guys get pretty butthurt when I get sarcastic or patronizing with you but for pete's sake, don't make it so easy.

Post #109 » by **Cowology** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:30 am

Manocad wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Manocad wrote:He's shot 39% from the floor for the season vs Hayes' 36% so he's been barely above Hayes' level all year. He just drops some 3's here and there to put up some points.
One guy has a 52ts the other has 44ts... But hey they're almost the same... lmao

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The statement made was that if Bey had shot his season average rather than at Hayes' level it would have been a much different game. Bey shot 4-12 this game. Had he shot 5-12 he'd have been at 41.7% which is higher than his season FG% of 39.3%. So give him one more bucket and this is suddenly a different game? Hayes season FG% is 36.0%. That's not much difference. I know some of guys get pretty butthurt when I get sarcastic or patronizing with you but for pete's sake, don't make it so easy.

Like I said, not a serious argument. You're just looking to pick a fight at this point.

Manocad · Post #110 » by **Manocad** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:30 am

Cowology wrote:
Manocad wrote:
Cowology wrote:You say that like it's not a big deal. Those 3's are HUGE for us and it kills us when he's not making them. It also accounts for a fairly significant margin between their true shooting %'s.

The stats are what they are. From a FG% standpoint Bey isn't a much better shooter than Hayes. He just plays more minutes and shoots a lot more so he scores more.
This is not a serious argument.

Neither was yours. Dude, if you keep sticking your nose out and begging me to punch, I'm gonna. That much I can guarantee you. The fact that it bugs the s**t out of you is EXACTLY why I do it.

Manocad · Post #111 » by **Manocad** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:31 am

Cowology wrote:
Manocad wrote:
mattao313 wrote:One guy has a 52ts the other has 44ts... But hey they're almost the same... lmao

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The statement made was that if Bey had shot his season average rather than at Hayes' level it would have been a much different game. Bey shot 4-12 this game. Had he shot 5-12 he'd have been at 41.7% which is higher than his season FG% of 39.3%. So give him one more bucket and this is suddenly a different game? Hayes season FG% is 36.0%. That's not much difference. I know some of guys get pretty butthurt when I get sarcastic or patronizing with you but for pete's sake, don't make it so easy.
Like I said, not a serious argument. You're just looking to pick a fight at this point.

Yep, that's your typical comeback anytime I address a lousy argument. :lol:

DetroitSho · Post #112 » by **DetroitSho** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:32 am

Cowology wrote:
Manocad wrote:
mattao313 wrote:One guy has a 52ts the other has 44ts... But hey they're almost the same... lmao

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The statement made was that if Bey had shot his season average rather than at Hayes' level it would have been a much different game. Bey shot 4-12 this game. Had he shot 5-12 he'd have been at 41.7% which is higher than his season FG% of 39.3%. So give him one more bucket and this is suddenly a different game? Hayes season FG% is 36.0%. That's not much difference. I know some of guys get pretty butthurt when I get sarcastic or patronizing with you but for pete's sake, don't make it so easy.
Like I said, not a serious argument. You're just looking to pick a fight at this point.

Serious question, were you not being literal with your original statement or were you just unaware Bey was a sub 40%?

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MotownMadness · Post #113 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:32 am

zeebneeb wrote:Livers looked really good, and played within himself.

I think he's earned more minutes.

Happy for Livers, He went down around tournament time last year while having a great season and now he's starting to round into shape.

Manocad · Post #114 » by **Manocad** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:33 am

DetroitSho wrote:
Cowology wrote:
Manocad wrote:The statement made was that if Bey had shot his season average rather than at Hayes' level it would have been a much different game. Bey shot 4-12 this game. Had he shot 5-12 he'd have been at 41.7% which is higher than his season FG% of 39.3%. So give him one more bucket and this is suddenly a different game? Hayes season FG% is 36.0%. That's not much difference. I know some of guys get pretty butthurt when I get sarcastic or patronizing with you but for pete's sake, don't make it so easy.
Like I said, not a serious argument. You're just looking to pick a fight at this point.
Serious question, were you not being literal with your original statement or were you just unaware Bey was a sub 40%?

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Now you're just being difficult.

mattao313 · Post #115 » by **mattao313** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:34 am

Manocad wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Manocad wrote:He's shot 39% from the floor for the season vs Hayes' 36% so he's been barely above Hayes' level all year. He just drops some 3's here and there to put up some points.
One guy has a 52ts the other has 44ts... But hey they're almost the same... lmao

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The statement made was that if Bey had shot his season average rather than at Hayes' level it would have been a much different game. Bey shot 4-12 this game. Had he shot 5-12 he'd have been at 41.7% which is higher than his season FG% of 39.3%. So give him one more bucket and this is suddenly a different game? Hayes season FG% is 36.0%. That's not much difference. I know some of guys get pretty butthurt when I get sarcastic or patronizing with you but for pete's sake, don't make it so easy.

Bey had a 44ts this game he's ts for the year is 52ts a big difference.

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Post #116 » by **Cowology** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:37 am

DetroitSho wrote:
Cowology wrote:
Manocad wrote:The statement made was that if Bey had shot his season average rather than at Hayes' level it would have been a much different game. Bey shot 4-12 this game. Had he shot 5-12 he'd have been at 41.7% which is higher than his season FG% of 39.3%. So give him one more bucket and this is suddenly a different game? Hayes season FG% is 36.0%. That's not much difference. I know some of guys get pretty butthurt when I get sarcastic or patronizing with you but for pete's sake, don't make it so easy.
Like I said, not a serious argument. You're just looking to pick a fight at this point.
Serious question, were you not being literal with your original statement or were you just unaware Bey was a sub 40%?

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I was referring to him shooting 1-9 from 3. He's been in a slump the past 4 games; 25%, 25%, 28.6% and 11% from deep. Hayes season average from 3 is 26% . Bey is at 34.5% from deep.

whitehops · Post #117 » by **whitehops** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:37 am

zeebneeb wrote:Livers looked really good, and played within himself.

I think he's earned more minutes.

i'm excited for him to have a healthy off season to work on his game. he's showing that he can be a good piece off the bench next season. he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, makes the right play, can hit the 3 and has SIZE (big advantage over jackson or mcgruder).

nice to see weaver got a good read on him when he offered a 3-year deal which is relatively long for a second round pick.

DetroitSho · Post #118 » by **DetroitSho** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:40 am

Cowology wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:
Cowology wrote:Like I said, not a serious argument. You're just looking to pick a fight at this point.
Serious question, were you not being literal with your original statement or were you just unaware Bey was a sub 40%?

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I was referring to him shooting 1-9 from 3. He's been in a slump the past 4 games; 25%, 25%, 28.6% and 11% from deep. Hayes season average from 3 is 26%.

In fairness, you never referenced that you were talking about 3 point shooting specifically in your original post or subsequent arguments.

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Manocad · Post #119 » by **Manocad** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:40 am

mattao313 wrote:
Manocad wrote:
mattao313 wrote:One guy has a 52ts the other has 44ts... But hey they're almost the same... lmao

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The statement made was that if Bey had shot his season average rather than at Hayes' level it would have been a much different game. Bey shot 4-12 this game. Had he shot 5-12 he'd have been at 41.7% which is higher than his season FG% of 39.3%. So give him one more bucket and this is suddenly a different game? Hayes season FG% is 36.0%. That's not much difference. I know some of guys get pretty butthurt when I get sarcastic or patronizing with you but for pete's sake, don't make it so easy.
Bey had a 44ts this game he's ts for the year is 52ts a big difference.

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Okay! Math time! A 52TS is an 18.18% increase over a 44TS. So if you take Bey's 13 points this game and increase them by 18.18%, you get 2.36 additional points. And that makes this game different how?

Piston Pete · Post #120 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:43 am

Bey is a MUCH better shooter than Hayes.

I can’t believe this is even a debate.

Bey shot 32% in November. Outside of November, he’s shot over 40% every other month. Take out November, Bey would be around 41% on the season.

Hayes….Hayes has been a consistently terrible offensive player for most of both seasons he’s been here. 35% last season, and 36% this season.