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just being way too solid as a starting PG in playoffs and a reliable backcourt mate for Cade.Been trackin Mavs for like 20 games now, just...wow

Some of us have been saying this for months.

I hope we dont pay Brunson. Hes a good player but I think hes about to get paid fat. I'm not looking to lock up a bunch of money on a 6'1 pg that the Mavs arent interested in paying the bag to.

If Cuban isnt looking to pay Brunson to keep with Luka why should we be so eager to hand him the bag?

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I do see Brunson is having another nice playoff game. In turn driving his price up even more. Obv its good seeing him lead a team in the playoffs no Luka but still I dont want to pay. If Cuban isnt going to pay him I'm not trying to outsmart what Cuban is doing. Cuban might not be always right but hes not a man you want to be going against on bets like this.

buzzkilloton wrote:I hope we dont pay Brunson. Hes a good player but I think hes about to get paid fat.

Of course he is going to get paid, look at what he is doing. The guy is good. You rather pay 20-25 mil for Brunson or 12 for Olynyk and 12 for I don't know, Gary Harris for example?

vege wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:I hope we dont pay Brunson. Hes a good player but I think hes about to get paid fat.

Of course he is going to get paid, look at what he is doing. The guy is good. You rather pay 20-25 mil for Brunson or 12 for Olynyk and 12 for I don't know, Gary Harris for example?

Brunson was looking for 4 for 80 or 20mill a year when Dallas offered him a contract earlier in the year. I'm expecting that to be going up to 25mill+ now. Its been reported more teams are interested as well. This class sucks it doesnt take much for a team to lock in move a few guys to open up room and go after it.

I'm good keeping flexibility for future free agency. I'm not trying to outsmart Mark Cuban who would be letting him walk when Cuban is sitting on Luka. I guess you could make the case Cuban is looking for bigger fish so he doesnt need to pay Brunson but I'm good keeping options open then going after it personally. If its 20mill per year I would be ok with it im just expecting higher.

Harris isnt a 12mill a year player. Hes going to be a on cheap prove it contract. I would not of paid Kelly O 12 mill so those are like the worst examples of 25mill being used by the way lol. If you go look at players making what hes going to make you can find alot of good players.

buzzkilloton wrote:

vege wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:I hope we dont pay Brunson. Hes a good player but I think hes about to get paid fat.

Of course he is going to get paid, look at what he is doing. The guy is good. You rather pay 20-25 mil for Brunson or 12 for Olynyk and 12 for I don't know, Gary Harris for example?

Brunson was looking for 4 for 80 or 20mill a year when Dallas offered him a contract earlier in the year. I'm expecting that to be going up to 25mill+ now. Its been reported more teams are interested as well. This class sucks it doesnt take much for a team to lock in move a few guys to open up room and go after it.

I'm good keeping flexibility for future free agency. I'm not trying to outsmart Mark Cuban who would be letting him walk when Cuban is sitting on Luka. I guess you could make the case Cuban is looking for bigger fish so he doesnt need to pay Brunson but I'm good keeping options open then going after it personally. If its 20mill per year I would be ok with it im just expecting higher.

Harris isnt a 12mill a year player. Hes going to be a on cheap prove it contract. I would not of paid Kelly O 12 mill so those are like the worst examples of 25mill being used by the way lol. If you go look at players making what hes going to make you can find alot of good players.

I don't know what Cuban have to do with this.

You wouldn't pay KO 12 mil, Weaver DID. Would have you paid Plumlee 8 mil per? I guess not, people need to stop dreaming, because those are the FAs we'll likely get, if we don't pay guys like Brunson, Robinson, and even Sexton fwiw.

Indiana have interest in Brunson (because of Carlisle probably), they need to unload Brogdon first (I wouldn't mind getting Brogdon for free).

vege wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:

vege wrote:
Of course he is going to get paid, look at what he is doing. The guy is good. You rather pay 20-25 mil for Brunson or 12 for Olynyk and 12 for I don't know, Gary Harris for example?

Brunson was looking for 4 for 80 or 20mill a year when Dallas offered him a contract earlier in the year. I'm expecting that to be going up to 25mill+ now. Its been reported more teams are interested as well. This class sucks it doesnt take much for a team to lock in move a few guys to open up room and go after it.

I'm good keeping flexibility for future free agency. I'm not trying to outsmart Mark Cuban who would be letting him walk when Cuban is sitting on Luka. I guess you could make the case Cuban is looking for bigger fish so he doesnt need to pay Brunson but I'm good keeping options open then going after it personally. If its 20mill per year I would be ok with it im just expecting higher.

Harris isnt a 12mill a year player. Hes going to be a on cheap prove it contract. I would not of paid Kelly O 12 mill so those are like the worst examples of 25mill being used by the way lol. If you go look at players making what hes going to make you can find alot of good players.

I don't know what Cuban have to do with this.

You wouldn't pay KO 12 mil, Weaver DID. Would have you paid Plumlee 8 mil per? I guess not, people need to stop dreaming, because those are the FAs we'll likely get, if we don't pay guys like Brunson, Robinson, and even Sexton fwiw.

Indiana have interest in Brunson (because of Carlisle probably), they need to unload Brogdon first (I wouldn't mind getting Brogdon for free).

Mark Cuban is the guy whos writing checks for the Mavs. If hes not writing it for Brunson when the Mavs are closer to contention then then hes not worth it. Again I'm good not going against Cubans side on this kinda move.

Brunson is a 6'1 guard its not like hes something that doesnt come around often.

buzzkilloton wrote:I hope we dont pay Brunson. Hes a good player but I think hes about to get paid fat. I'm not looking to lock up a bunch of money on a 6'1 pg that the Mavs arent interested in paying the bag to.

If Cuban isnt looking to pay Brunson to keep with Luka why should we be so eager to hand him the bag?

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I do see Brunson is having another nice playoff game. In turn driving his price up even more. Obv its good seeing him lead a team in the playoffs no Luka but still I dont want to pay. If Cuban isnt going to pay him I'm not trying to outsmart what Cuban is doing. Cuban might not be always right but hes not a man you want to be going against on bets like this.

This is absolutely one of the worst takes I have ever seen. You don't want to pay a guy because he's playing well and earning a bigger contract.

Maybe you prefer the guy who's playing badly and tanking his value??

buzzkilloton wrote:

vege wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:
Brunson was looking for 4 for 80 or 20mill a year when Dallas offered him a contract earlier in the year. I'm expecting that to be going up to 25mill+ now. Its been reported more teams are interested as well. This class sucks it doesnt take much for a team to lock in move a few guys to open up room and go after it.

I'm good keeping flexibility for future free agency. I'm not trying to outsmart Mark Cuban who would be letting him walk when Cuban is sitting on Luka. I guess you could make the case Cuban is looking for bigger fish so he doesnt need to pay Brunson but I'm good keeping options open then going after it personally. If its 20mill per year I would be ok with it im just expecting higher.

Harris isnt a 12mill a year player. Hes going to be a on cheap prove it contract. I would not of paid Kelly O 12 mill so those are like the worst examples of 25mill being used by the way lol. If you go look at players making what hes going to make you can find alot of good players.

I don't know what Cuban have to do with this.

You wouldn't pay KO 12 mil, Weaver DID. Would have you paid Plumlee 8 mil per? I guess not, people need to stop dreaming, because those are the FAs we'll likely get, if we don't pay guys like Brunson, Robinson, and even Sexton fwiw.

Indiana have interest in Brunson (because of Carlisle probably), they need to unload Brogdon first (I wouldn't mind getting Brogdon for free).

Mark Cuban is the guy whos writing checks for the Mavs. If hes not writing it for Brunson when the Mavs are closer to contention then then hes not worth it. Again I'm good not going against Cubans side on this kinda move.

Brunson is a 6'1 guard its not like hes something that doesnt come around often.

Dallas Total Cap: $153,333,457

They're not in a good situation. No matter how crazy Cuban is and how much he is willing to spend, he might have to let Brunson go.

Cowology wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:I hope we dont pay Brunson. Hes a good player but I think hes about to get paid fat. I'm not looking to lock up a bunch of money on a 6'1 pg that the Mavs arent interested in paying the bag to.

If Cuban isnt looking to pay Brunson to keep with Luka why should we be so eager to hand him the bag?

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I do see Brunson is having another nice playoff game. In turn driving his price up even more. Obv its good seeing him lead a team in the playoffs no Luka but still I dont want to pay. If Cuban isnt going to pay him I'm not trying to outsmart what Cuban is doing. Cuban might not be always right but hes not a man you want to be going against on bets like this.

This is absolutely one of the worst takes I have ever seen. You don't want to pay a guy because he's playing well and earning a bigger contract.

Maybe you prefer the guy who's playing badly and tanking his value??

Speaking of consistent bad takes heres cowology.

Its called buying high when a players having a big post season going into free agency. I dont want to be paying peak value contracts when were not a free agent destination to a 6'1 guard. Were not going to be getting over on everyone else.

vege wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:

vege wrote:
I don't know what Cuban have to do with this.

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Dallas Total Cap: $153,333,457

They're not in a good situation. No matter how crazy Cuban is and how much he is willing to spend, he might have to let Brunson go.

They can go over the cap to keep their own player as far as I know. Anyways they offered him a low ball deal already. Doesnt seem like they were operating in a way to keep him.

https://www.spotrac.com/research/nba/a-deep-dive-into-jalen-brunsons-contract-options-1408/

The nightmare scenario is brought up in this article.

"If, say the Detroit Pistons decide Brunson is the guy they need next to Cade Cunningham, they can do a max deal for Brunson. If the New York Knicks, one of Brunson’s long-rumored suitors, were willing to give him a max deal, they could arrange a sign-and-trade to send a couple of contracts back to the Mavericks. Or they could rope in a third team to help facilitate a deal.

If Brunson were to change teams on a max deal via straight signing or via sign-and-trade, here’s what that projected max contract would look like:

2022-23: $30,250,000
2023-24: $31,762,500
2024-25: $33,275,000
2025-26: $34,787,500
Total: Four years, $130,075,000"

Brunson's agent has mostly 2nd round talent on his roster. Former Piston Ish Smith..... but Brunson is about to make him a bunch of money, and he also has Jordan Poole who will make him a bunch of money next year as well. Although he does also represent Jalen Green, who was a big (the biggest) get for him.

With just $6 million in career earnings, you'd really have to think Brunson is going to the highest bidder whomever that may be.

Cowology wrote:Some of us have been saying this for months.

Yep, but I think it's becoming more and more of a pipedream with every big playoff game he has. I'm sure Cuban (and Luka) will do everything they can to keep him.

I sure hope it’s not a “must do”. Cuz I doubt we’re going to be able to get him.

NYPiston wrote:

Cowology wrote:Some of us have been saying this for months.

Yep, but I think it's becoming more and more of a pipedream with every big playoff game he has. I'm sure Cuban (and Luka) will do everything they can to keep him.

I dunno, maybe. I thought part of the reason they traded for Dinwiddie was as insurance for when Brunson left. IF they decide to keep Brunson they'll probably have to look at shedding salary elsewhere. They have a LOT of money tied up with not just Doncic, but also in Dinwiddie. And don't forget about Tim Hardaway Jr. who's still got like 3 years & $60 mil left on his deal. Then you got Powell who will be a 31 yr old FA the following year leaving an even bigger hole in the middle. How do they address that? Something is going to have to give.

Cowology wrote:I dunno, maybe. I thought part of the reason they traded for Dinwiddie was as insurance for when Brunson left. IF they decide to keep Brunson they'll probably have to look at shedding salary elsewhere. They have a LOT of money tied up with not just Doncic, but also in Dinwiddie. And don't forget about Tim Hardaway Jr. who's still got like 3 years & $60 mil left on his deal. Then you got Powell who will be a 31 yr old FA the following year leaving an even bigger hole in the middle. How do they address that? Something is going to have to give.

They'll have to do some cap gymnastics (maybe attach some assets to trade Hardaway).


It depends on Brunson really. If he really wants to stay in Dallas but still get a nice contract, he could give them a bit of a hometown discount which will force Cuban into the luxury tax. If he wants to max out his value? Well, Detroit is one of few teams with the cap space and a real shot at winning down the road. I really like Brunson but a max deal for him scares the bejeezus out of me. When he was priced at 4 yrs $80M, I was cool with it but when we're talking 4 yrs $130M. Yikes, that's just way too rich for my blood and I can't see Weaver going crazy like that anyway.

As was just said on TV "oh boy he gonna make alot of money this summer".

I saw one of the analytic websites post about how Brunson has played like a $30 million player this season.

If he proves he can be the best player on a team that can win a playoff series, and average close to 30 a game in that series, I think its a pretty safe bet that he'll get MAX or very close to MAX money. I'm not sure anyone on our team was good enough to be the best player on a playoff series winning team this year.

Jazz seem like they will need/want to make some changes this summer for sure. Not sure if that means Mitchell will be gone or if it will be someone else but they seem to have hit a wall.

NYPiston wrote:

Cowology wrote:I dunno, maybe. I thought part of the reason they traded for Dinwiddie was as insurance for when Brunson left. IF they decide to keep Brunson they'll probably have to look at shedding salary elsewhere. They have a LOT of money tied up with not just Doncic, but also in Dinwiddie. And don't forget about Tim Hardaway Jr. who's still got like 3 years & $60 mil left on his deal. Then you got Powell who will be a 31 yr old FA the following year leaving an even bigger hole in the middle. How do they address that? Something is going to have to give.

They'll have to do some cap gymnastics (maybe attach some assets to trade Hardaway).


It depends on Brunson really. If he really wants to stay in Dallas but still get a nice contract, he could give them a bit of a hometown discount which will force Cuban into the luxury tax. If he wants to max out his value? Well, Detroit is one of few teams with the cap space and a real shot at winning down the road. I really like Brunson but a max deal for him scares the bejeezus out of me. When he was priced at 4 yrs $80M, I was cool with it but when we're talking 4 yrs $130M. Yikes, that's just way too rich for my blood.

This max contract talk is pretty ridiculous, imo. Nobody is paying him that much. The Knicks are a non factor. If Dallas doesn't want to pay Brunson they aren't going to take NY's bad contracts in a S&T. And the Pacers aren't any more likely. Don't believe everything you read. Half that stuff is either some hack writer or his agent trying to drum up interest.

Right now there are basically 2 teams who can legitimately bid on his services; Detroit & Dallas. And he'll cost Dallas a heck of a lot more than he'll cost Detroit. But I've also said since day one that you make your offer and then be prepared to walk away if Dallas outbids you. I like the guy and he's my #1 target, but you don't go that high on him. If need be you wait until '23 and try again.

Cowology wrote:This max contract talk is pretty ridiculous, imo. Nobody is paying him that much. The Knicks are a non factor. If Dallas doesn't want to pay Brunson they aren't going to take NY's bad contracts in a S&T. And the Pacers aren't any more likely. Don't believe everything you read. Half that stuff is either some hack writer or his agent trying to drum up interest.

Right now there are basically 2 teams who can legitimately bid on his services; Detroit & Dallas. And he'll cost Dallas a heck of a lot more than he'll cost Detroit. But I've also said since day one that you make your offer and then be prepared to walk away if Dallas outbids you. I like the guy and he's my #1 target, but you don't go that high on him. If need be you wait until '23 and try again.

That's the thing. Weaver has all the leverage. He doesn't have to go max with Brunson because there just isn't much of a buyers market to outbid each other so as you said, he can put a certain number out there to squeeze Dallas that isn't max numbers and it'll be up to Dallas to match or Brunson to take a little less to stay in Dallas.

However, I don't think 4 years $80M will get him to Detroit. I think that's a doable contract for Cuban to not go wildly into the luxury lax and if all else is equal, I don't see Brunson picking Detroit over Dallas so Weaver would have to put an enticing enough contract on the table for Brunson to bite.