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I know we have alot of draft discussion's in multiple threads already but just curious to see where everyone is leaning in a consensus draft order.

Who do you got? vote and explain why if you feel like it. Im torn between Ivey and Sharpe myself.

Also let me know if i forgot a realistic name at #5 but I think this is pretty much everyone.

Went with Sharpe, I guess the whole mystery of not playing and knowing with him being a high star recruit has me hoping we land a Star under unusual circumstances.

Mathurin if we don't trade Grant, Murray if we do (depending on what we get back for Grant). Obviously it depends on what happens with the top four as well, since Sacramento is pretty likely to take one of these guys.

Leaning towards Sharpe here.

I have a feeling it’s going to be Keegan though, with Grant going out in some sort of trade.

I don’t think Sacramento will take Sharpe, but they may trade the pick to a team who will.

I still like Sharpe with where we're at and how disappointing the drafting order went. It's a consolation prize that we can potentially get the almost biggest boon of the draft besides the top 3

I've been hearing good things from him on podcasts that have guys plugged in to the draft. He's a dude that's quiet and locks himself in the gym. Loves the jumper and isn't afraid to take them. And of course athleticism for days

Pretty much textbook guard that we need among other needs that we need to fill out on our roster

I want Ivey the guy is too explosive to pass up.

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The board is 1.Sharpe 2.Ivey Highest ceiling picks on the board. Also bonus points in that they will be guys who take time to be +nba players which will help us get one more lotto pick next season.

Can someone explain to me why Sharpe didn't play any kind of basketball for a whole year? Ivey has the physical tools that translate into the modern NBA, and Pistons need a slasher on this squad. Cade just has to get that three point shot up another level.

Sort wrote:Can someone explain to me why Sharpe didn't play any kind of basketball for a whole year? Ivey has the physical tools that translate into the modern NBA, and Pistons need a slasher on this squad. Cade just has to get that three point shot up another level.

There was covid and then he reclassified to a earlier highschool class. He wasnt eligible to play for UK until January because of the reclassification. The plan was for him to not play at all and just practice all season and come back next year.

He could of played in January of course. He didnt enroll with a plan to play in January though. Then once the top 10 pick rumblings came the right play is to go.

buzzkilloton wrote:

Sort wrote:Can someone explain to me why Sharpe didn't play any kind of basketball for a whole year? Ivey has the physical tools that translate into the modern NBA, and Pistons need a slasher on this squad. Cade just has to get that three point shot up another level.

There was covid and then he reclassified to a earlier highschool class. He wasnt eligible to play for UK until January because of the reclassification. The plan was for him to not play at all and just practice all season and come back next year.

He could of played in January of course. He didnt enroll with a plan to play in January though. Then once the top 10 pick rumblings came the right play is to go.

This is the one thing more than anything that leaves me uneasy about taking him. The "why" he didn't play. Like you said, there are legitimate reasons, but at the same time he definitely could have played the second half of their season. The question is if he didn't because A) The coaching staff didn't want to in order to better keep him for the following year, B) He didn't want to in order to not have the Emoni Bates potential, C) he knew he would go pro and didn't want to risk injury, or D) The coaching staff saw he clearly wasn't ready and didn't think he could contribute much.

Maybe there are other reasons why, but those are the 4 that come to mind. And there are scenarios that make you uncomfortable that lead you to think that there's something hidden there. The one thing that I don't fully understand is that there are scouts at all of these practices. So assuming Sharpe was a participant in practices, you would think that the scouts would be able to see if he's a "dude" holding out for injury, or a massive project not ready to contribute. I don't see how that discussion hasn't leaked to be honest.

Sharpe is going to be raw. Worse than what Jalen Green came into the league this year for sure.

Everyone here going to be ok with Sharpe coming off the bench to start the season? Or seeing Cade struggle playing next to someone that's super raw and not able to help out much early on? Sharpe has played almost zero basketball the last few years because of Covid so its super hard to say what he looks like.... and he'll almost certainly skip pre-draft workouts to keep his draft position safe rather than risk dropping his status.

Jsindto wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:

Sort wrote:Can someone explain to me why Sharpe didn't play any kind of basketball for a whole year? Ivey has the physical tools that translate into the modern NBA, and Pistons need a slasher on this squad. Cade just has to get that three point shot up another level.

There was covid and then he reclassified to a earlier highschool class. He wasnt eligible to play for UK until January because of the reclassification. The plan was for him to not play at all and just practice all season and come back next year.

He could of played in January of course. He didnt enroll with a plan to play in January though. Then once the top 10 pick rumblings came the right play is to go.

This is the one thing more than anything that leaves me uneasy about taking him. The "why" he didn't play. Like you said, there are legitimate reasons, but at the same time he definitely could have played the second half of their season. The question is if he didn't because A) The coaching staff didn't want to in order to better keep him for the following year, B) He didn't want to in order to not have the Emoni Bates potential, C) he knew he would go pro and didn't want to risk injury, or D) The coaching staff saw he clearly wasn't ready and didn't think he could contribute much.

Maybe there are other reasons why, but those are the 4 that come to mind. And there are scenarios that make you uncomfortable that lead you to think that there's something hidden there. The one thing that I don't fully understand is that there are scouts at all of these practices. So assuming Sharpe was a participant in practices, you would think that the scouts would be able to see if he's a "dude" holding out for injury, or a massive project not ready to contribute. I don't see how that discussion hasn't leaked to be honest.

I dont think its all that complicated. Coach Cal,him, and his family stated before the season he wasnt going to play this season. He enrolled early at UK to practice with high level players and learn the system to get ready for next season. Come January he didnt play as planned and then when he knew he was going to be a top 10 pick he entered the draft rather then come back.

By "make you uncomfortable" do you mean because he could of just went to UK with no intention to play before entering the draft? No people speculated the entire time thats what he was doing it wasnt a shocker. Its actually stupid they make these kids make a pit stop in college. He made the absolute best decision to make when you know you're a top 10 pick.

buzzkilloton wrote:

Jsindto wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:
There was covid and then he reclassified to a earlier highschool class. He wasnt eligible to play for UK until January because of the reclassification. The plan was for him to not play at all and just practice all season and come back next year.

He could of played in January of course. He didnt enroll with a plan to play in January though. Then once the top 10 pick rumblings came the right play is to go.

This is the one thing more than anything that leaves me uneasy about taking him. The "why" he didn't play. Like you said, there are legitimate reasons, but at the same time he definitely could have played the second half of their season. The question is if he didn't because A) The coaching staff didn't want to in order to better keep him for the following year, B) He didn't want to in order to not have the Emoni Bates potential, C) he knew he would go pro and didn't want to risk injury, or D) The coaching staff saw he clearly wasn't ready and didn't think he could contribute much.

Maybe there are other reasons why, but those are the 4 that come to mind. And there are scenarios that make you uncomfortable that lead you to think that there's something hidden there. The one thing that I don't fully understand is that there are scouts at all of these practices. So assuming Sharpe was a participant in practices, you would think that the scouts would be able to see if he's a "dude" holding out for injury, or a massive project not ready to contribute. I don't see how that discussion hasn't leaked to be honest.

I dont think its all that complicated. Coach Cal,him, and his family stated before the season he wasnt going to play this season. He enrolled early at UK to practice with high level players and learn the system to get ready for next season. Come January he didnt play as planned and then when he knew he was going to be a top 10 pick he entered the draft rather then come back.

By "make you uncomfortable" do you mean because he could of just went to UK with no intention to play before entering the draft? No people speculated the entire time thats what he was doing it wasnt a shocker. Its actually stupid they make these kids make a pit stop in college. He made the absolute best decision to make when you know you're a top 10 pick.

When I say that it makes me uncomfortable, it's more the "what if he didn't play because he would have been exposed" feeling. Very well just being clouded by seeing what happened to Emoni Bates, and to a lesser extent Jaden Hardy in the G League. It's not the idea of "gaming the system" that some people may be turned off by. Or the misleading UK. It's wanting to know why he didn't play. I know it was the plan not to play, which there's still the question of why that was the plan.

bstein14 wrote:Sharpe is going to be raw. Worse than what Jalen Green came into the league this year for sure.

Everyone here going to be ok with Sharpe coming off the bench to start the season? Or seeing Cade struggle playing next to someone that's super raw and not able to help out much early on? Sharpe has played almost zero basketball the last few years because of Covid so its super hard to say what he looks like.... and he'll almost certainly skip pre-draft workouts to keep his draft position safe rather than risk dropping his status.

For me personally, if you take Sharpe you don't expect to see him have a real contribution until the 23-24 season. I would expect a limited role this upcoming season. Maybe G League to start out and then Diallo type role later in the season just to get NBA experience. And then the plan would hopefully to be the starting SG in 23-24. That's my expectations for wherever he goes, unless he ends up on a team in true tanking fashion (ie if he goes to the Blazers and they trade Lilliard, going all in for the #1 pick).

If a deal can be swung for Grant to get a serviceable young guard back next to Cade, I'd go Murray. If a deal for Grant turns into a defensive big I'd go with Ivey. Sharpe is just too unknown for my liking.

Ah, the poll. I have to go with potential&Unknown. Sharpe.

Adding a backcourt mate to Cade is a priority, and one with size and athleticism even morso.

Sharpe checks all those boxes, and it remains to be seen if he checks the others. (Shooting, passing, defense, e.t.c.) The primary reason I'm taking Sharpe over Mathurin (real struggle for me here. I don't like Iveys fit next to Cade AT ALL)is because he doesn't need the ball in his hands like Cade does, is young and can be molded to play with Cade, and has the physical attributes to be an amazing offensive and defensive player in the future.

He more then likely will have a rough 1st year, but I would like this pick even more if a deal can be swung that lands the Pistons another pick, say 7 or 8, and the team adds Duren as well.

Tough one for me, but I'll vote Sharpe, but will not be disappointed if the team selects Mathurin.

Manocad wrote:If a deal can be swung for Grant to get a serviceable young guard back next to Cade, I'd go Murray. If a deal for Grant turns into a defensive big I'd go with Ivey. Sharpe is just too unknown for my liking.

I've considered this possibility. For Murray to make sense for us I think you'd almost need to have Grant outgoing.

Any thoughts on who we could get for Grant though?

And yeah, Sharpe is a long play, absolutely. It's a very open question whether we'd be patient enough for that, but the potential reward is considerable.

Snakebites wrote:

Manocad wrote:If a deal can be swung for Grant to get a serviceable young guard back next to Cade, I'd go Murray. If a deal for Grant turns into a defensive big I'd go with Ivey. Sharpe is just too unknown for my liking.

I've considered this possibility. For Murray to make sense for us I think you'd almost need to have Grant outgoing.

Any thoughts on who we could get for Grant though?

And yeah, Sharpe is a long play, absolutely. It's a very open question whether we'd be patient enough for that, but the potential reward is considerable.

Nope. Admittedly I'm not much of a league-wide fan with knowledge of other players' contracts, why teams would be willing to move them, etc. And generally don't speculate like some others do here, where any trade that looks fair on paper is deemed absolutely feasible and Weaver has failed if he doesn't make it happen, because I have no clue what GM's are thinking. Including Weaver.

Sharpe is at this point what I'd consider a luxury pick. And while Murray doesn't have that uber athletic potential to be some high-flying superstar so many people seem to love, anyone who can put up 23.5 PPG in the B1G makes sense at #5 to me. I agree that taking Murray would make the most sense with Grant going out but I want this pick to hit, not be hopeful for the future kinda thing.

I agree with Manocad's sentiment. Waiting two years to see if we drafted the next Darko versus having someone with one of the highest floors in the draft? Murray has the old school Piston DNA. We'll like cheering for him. I don't know if we want to wait a couple years for Cade to have a real player next to him that is young and developing.

That said, I'm super curious to see how Sharpe interviews and whether or not someone trades into the top five just to take him.

I definitely think that Murray is the "safe" pick here- I think is floor is higher and he's more likely to contribute sooner. And as a player he's a good fit for the rest of the youth on our roster. I wouldn't be mad if we took him. There's logic to it- you could easily see he and Cade forming a nice duo and I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what Weaver is thinking.

I find Sharpe and Ivey to be more enticing though, even if one of them will most likely be gone at our pick I'd just assume see us take the other.