Keegan Murray

[aad]

It’s seeming he’s the likely pick for us at 5 but isn’t he just another Trey lyes or PG Washington or Tristen Thompson

[bstein14]

He's a 6'8" who shoots the 3 ball a lot and really well. He's been compared to a Tobias Harris type, with perhaps needing some work to create his own offense. Good in pick and pop, and is versatile enough to defend multiple position. Obviously has the Iowa connection with Luka Garza. His floor is a good bench player and his ceiling is likely a borderline all-star.

He's got bit of the "lower ceiling" syndrome much like Haliburton had in 2020.

[aad]

If he can give us 15 a game at the power forward spot and be a better rebounder then Grant I will take him

[Snakebites]

It’s not an exciting pick but could be a logical one.

I’d be okay with it as long as we don’t also re-up Grant.

[BJK1]

His ESPN interview/film session with (new Portland Assistant GM) Mike Schmitz is really good. It’s available on YouTube. Just a really bright, aware, professional kid. Very much in line with the young core that Weaver is assembling.

[Kalamazoo317]

Seems quite likely that it's still between about half a dozen players. And there's a very significant chance Sacramento takes Murray at 4 as well.

[buzzkilloton]

A slightly more athletic Frank Kaminsky with a higher defensive IQ. I'd be ok with him if we get that Atlanta pick but easily 5 guys I will take over him.

[whitehops]

His ESPN interview/film session with (new Portland Assistant GM) Mike Schmitz is really good. It’s available on YouTube. Just a really bright, aware, professional kid. Very much in line with the young core that Weaver is assembling.

thanks, i didn't realize he had a film breakdown vid. i like them because they give a little insight to their character and their ability to process what happens.

i really liked how self-aware he was, constantly pointing out what his mistakes were relative to what the team was trying to execute. he also has great recall which was impressive.

[Homelander87]

He is Boris Diaw 2.0 which is fine considering how awesome Diaw was with the Spurs. Just don't count on this guy to create buckets for your team in crunch time as he doesn't have very good quickness or shot creation skills off the bounce

[zeebneeb]

Several things about Murray that are not being talked about here.

1.He is an excellent shot blocker for his position. 1.9 in 32mpg. This would place him 5th in the NBA amongst forwards.

2.He is a much better rebounder then Grant. 8.7 in 32mpg.

3.He is an excellent 3-point shooter. .398% on 4.7 apg.

If the Pistons move Grant, Murray could replace him, and immediately be better at several aspects of the game then Grant, while fitting better with Cade IMO.

The key to the Murray pick, is trading Grant for another pick to land a guard, hopefully that Portland pick. Dream draft for me. Not gonna happen probably, but hey, I'm hopeful.

[kpt]

This pic in and of itself would not excite me the least bit however if this pic spurs a trade of grant for number seven and we get sharp or Matharurin then it excites me. That’s what I am hoping for

[Jsindto]

Several things about Murray that are not being talked about here.

1.He is an excellent shot blocker for his position. 1.9 in 32mpg. This would place him 5th in the NBA amongst forwards.

2.He is a much better rebounder then Grant. 8.7 in 32mpg.

3.He is an excellent 3-point shooter. .398% on 4.7 apg.

If the Pistons move Grant, Murray could replace him, and immediately be better at several aspects of the game then Grant, while fitting better with Cade IMO.

The key to the Murray pick, is trading Grant for another pick to land a guard, hopefully that Portland pick. Dream draft for me. Not gonna happen probably, but hey, I'm hopeful.

I've come to terms of taking Murray at #5. I'm not sure if I would do it, but I get it. And then the question is if you trade Grant for a pick to go ultra young, or if you able to acquire Ayton for Grant. Because then while you have a hole at SG, we're not a team trying to compete for championships next season. It's fine to have a hole that you can mask this year, and then with the insane $$$ available next offseason, address the SG spot before being a very real playoff team in 2023-24.

Everything I do this offseason is to set myself up for a long period of playoff runs beginning in 2023-24. I don't feel the need to try to get everything perfect this offseason.

I also would definitely get a trade for a mid-lottery pick to get a young SG. I would just personally go for a trade that nets you Ayton over a trade that nets you Mathurin. JMHO.

[NYPiston]

My main issue with Murray is that I don't see a path to stardom with him even if he hits his absolute ceiling. He just doesn't have the traits or the demeanor of a guy who can be a star so he's a decent complimentary player at worst and a good complimentary player at best, not much spread between his floor and ceiling IMO.

On the contrary, I see a lower floor and a higher ceiling with Ivey and Sharpe. Guys that have more discernable flaws but also have qualities that can breed star potential with athletic traits and mentality, in the case of Ivey (don't know much about Sharpe's demeanor). Even Mathurin who is a pretty one dimensional has that dynamic in his game, mentality and big shot making that can give him a path to stardom if it all comes together. I just don't see that with Murray even though he's pretty well rounded. Just a very solid, safe pick.

[Jsindto]

My main issue with Murray is that I don't see a path to stardom with him even if he hits his absolute ceiling. He just doesn't have the traits or the demeanor of a guy who can be a star so he's a decent complimentary player at worst and a good complimentary player at best, not much spread between his floor and ceiling IMO.

On the contrary, I see a lower floor and a higher ceiling with Ivey and Sharpe. Guys that have more discernable flaws but also have qualities that can breed star potential with athletic traits and mentality, in the case of Ivey (don't know much about Sharpe's demeanor). Even Mathurin who is a pretty one dimensional has that dynamic in his game, mentality and big shot making that can give him a path to stardom if it all comes together. I just don't see that with Murray even though he's pretty well rounded. Just a very solid, safe pick.

I think Murray's ceiling is the #3 player on a contending team. Which if he hits that, is great and it would be a very good pick at #5. But the more likely scenario is a Bey type contending team starter, but not in that coveted top 3 guys on a contending team starter.

For Sharpe, the workout coming up in a week or so is huge. If he has an absolute killer workout, I think he's the pick at 5. If he has an absolute awful workout, he won't be (and SHOULDN'T be) on their draft board. The real question is, what do they do if he has just a solid workout? In that scenario, I would take him over Murray because of the upside. But I have a feeling Weaver would still take Murray over him because of the surety of it.

Edit: I see a low chance of Ivey being there at 5. I think the Kings either take him, or trade the pick for someone who wants him. So I don't view him as a likely candidate at 5.

[bstein14]

There is a good chance whoever we take at #5 ends up coming off the bench for us to start the season. This isn't like the last two years where picks were pushed into starting jobs just because we were going to be awful no matter what.

C: Stew / Bagley
F: Grant / Murray
F: Bey / Livers
G: FA / Diallo
G: Cade / Hayes

Something like that is certainly possible if we can't land a trade for Grant at draft time, and we feel like Murray is the guy to take.

[Manocad]

He is Boris Diaw 2.0 which is fine considering how awesome Diaw was with the Spurs. Just don't count on this guy to create buckets for your team in crunch time as he doesn't have very good quickness or shot creation skills off the bounce

Can he hit an open jumper? Yes? Done.

This team doesn't struggle with getting guys open looks. They struggle with MAKING them consistently.

[Kalamazoo317]

If we come out this offseason with two of Ayton, Murray, Mathurin, Ivey, Sharpe, I'll ultimately be happy.

[A_dub06]

On a rebuilding team lacking high end talent you don’t draft for character and maturity, that’s for filling out your roster once you have your stars. So what if Murray could be a Tobias Harris type, if that’s his ceiling and it’s a big if he’ll get there plus factor in lacking athleticism on defence between him and Bey, what are you trying to achieve? You draft for potential and what that play can be in 3-4 years. Free agents run from us like a low grade hooker with herpes. It’s just not wise to grab someone simply because he can hit some outside shots and seems like a mature, intelligent and personable guy. He’s not going to be our teams leader and we need someone to be high level impactful. The only player available at 5 like that will be Sharpe. It’s the only player with the athleticism, size and skills which could reasonable project to be a star. Taking anyone else at 5 unless we have a deal to trade Grant and somehow land Sharpe with that pick (not likely) will be a colossal failure in my opinion.

As other have said, unless Sharpe kills it at our workout I don’t expect anyone other than Murray to be taken with our pick. I’ll be prepared to be pissed off come draft day…

[Jsindto]

If we come out this offseason with two of Ayton, Murray, Mathurin, Ivey, Sharpe, I'll ultimately be happy.

This is where I am too, but for me personally I'd include Daniels. And if there's a confidence in his health level, maybe AJ Griffin too. Because if there's improved athleticism from his injuries, he's a top 5 caliber player in this draft IMO.

[Kalamazoo317]

If we come out this offseason with two of Ayton, Murray, Mathurin, Ivey, Sharpe, I'll ultimately be happy.

This is where I am too, but for me personally I'd include Daniels. And if there's a confidence in his health level, maybe AJ Griffin too. Because if there's improved athleticism from his injuries, he's a top 5 caliber player in this draft IMO.

I don't know enough about Daniels and am "meh" about Griffin. I almost put Miles Bridges and Levine on the list as well, but those don't seem to have much smoke to them.