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Had we not extended Drummond and let him test free agency, Detroit would’ve saved a ton of money and we’d view him differently. Well that and never thinking Josh smith was the guy we needed with Drummond already being on the roster.

To the video, it’s mostly nice what he says. But “best rebounder ever…ever”. He wasn’t even the best rebounder ever on the team he’s most associated with. Rodman is.

It will be interesting to see what happens next season in free agency for him. I think he’s going back to Philadelphia.

I will always have a soft spot for the guy. He always seemed like a genuinely nice kid who did give it his all

Cancer to any team. The absolute worst player in franchise history.

chrbal wrote:Had we not extended Drummond and let him test free agency, Detroit would’ve saved a ton of money and we’d view him differently. Well that and never thinking Josh smith was the guy we needed with Drummond already being on the roster.

To the video, it’s mostly nice what he says. But “best rebounder ever…ever”. He wasn’t even the best rebounder ever on the team he’s most associated with. Rodman is.

It will be interesting to see what happens next season in free agency for him. I think he’s going back to Philadelphia.

Yeah hes not the best rebounder ever bit was definitely on pace to be up there for a while there. Still got guys like Rodman and Moses though

gusman wrote:Cancer to any team. The absolute worst player in franchise history.

Far from the worst player in franchise history. Maybe worst guy we labeled a franchise piece to build around though with his motor issues.

gusman wrote:Cancer to any team. The absolute worst player in franchise history.

Josh Smith is by far and away the worst player in franchise history. I've willingly watched bad rosters, losing seasons, etc and have been overly loyal to them. He's literally the only one that made me not want to watch them play.

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ComboGuardCity wrote:I will always have a soft spot for the guy. He always seemed like a genuinely nice kid who did give it his all

That’s interesting to hear. I don’t hate the guy or anything but my biggest issues with him came when he checked out mentally, usually when a game didn’t start well.

gusman wrote:Cancer to any team. The absolute worst player in franchise history.

Hes definitely not the worst lol You remember Austin Daye?

tradez401 wrote:

gusman wrote:Cancer to any team. The absolute worst player in franchise history.

Hes definitely not the worst lol You remember Austin Daye?

I mean, the worst player ever to play for the Pistons was probably some bench warmer we barely ever saw. Anyone remember Victor Alexander?

The more interesting discussion would be worst in terms of their impact on the team and team culture. It certainly helps if we had a lot invested in them.

To me that would have to be Josh Smith, Allen Iverson, or Darko Milicic. Iverson and Milicic may have been higher impact in that both were instrumental in the teams’ downfall in their own ways (the team was already in the tubes when we got Smith), but yeah, I’d still personally go with Smith. I just hated him more.

Drummond isn’t in the discussion, I also don’t think Daye was ever relevant enough, awful though he was.

Snakebites wrote:

tradez401 wrote:

gusman wrote:Cancer to any team. The absolute worst player in franchise history.

Hes definitely not the worst lol You remember Austin Daye?

I mean, the worst player ever to play for the Pistons was probably some bench warmer we barely ever saw. Anyone remember Victor Alexander?

The more interesting discussion would be worst in terms of their impact on the team and team culture. It certainly helps if we had a lot invested in them.

To me that would have to be Josh Smith, Allen Iverson, or Darko Milicic. Iverson and Milicic may have been higher impact in that both were instrumental in the teams’ downfall in their own ways (the team was already in the tubes when we got Smith), but yeah, I’d still personally go with Smith. I just hated him more.

Drummond isn’t in the discussion, I also don’t think Daye was ever relevant enough, awful though he was.

I remember we gave Austin Daye chance after chance we resigned him and hoped he would become something but his confidence was nonexistent and he was very weak.

tradez401 wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

tradez401 wrote:

Hes definitely not the worst lol You remember Austin Daye?

I mean, the worst player ever to play for the Pistons was probably some bench warmer we barely ever saw. Anyone remember Victor Alexander?

The more interesting discussion would be worst in terms of their impact on the team and team culture. It certainly helps if we had a lot invested in them.

To me that would have to be Josh Smith, Allen Iverson, or Darko Milicic. Iverson and Milicic may have been higher impact in that both were instrumental in the teams’ downfall in their own ways (the team was already in the tubes when we got Smith), but yeah, I’d still personally go with Smith. I just hated him more.

Drummond isn’t in the discussion, I also don’t think Daye was ever relevant enough, awful though he was.

I remember we gave Austin Daye chance after chance we resigned him and hoped he would become something but his confidence was nonexistent and he was very weak.

He didn’t even look like he knew what was going on most of the time. Even three years in he was still doing rookie things like dribbling with one or two seconds left on the shot clock, like he was still on college time.

Not sure what we were thinking when we picked him.

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Snakebites wrote:

tradez401 wrote:

Snakebites wrote:I mean, the worst player ever to play for the Pistons was probably some bench warmer we barely ever saw. Anyone remember Victor Alexander?

The more interesting discussion would be worst in terms of their impact on the team and team culture. It certainly helps if we had a lot invested in them.

To me that would have to be Josh Smith, Allen Iverson, or Darko Milicic. Iverson and Milicic may have been higher impact in that both were instrumental in the teams’ downfall in their own ways (the team was already in the tubes when we got Smith), but yeah, I’d still personally go with Smith. I just hated him more.

Drummond isn’t in the discussion, I also don’t think Daye was ever relevant enough, awful though he was.

I remember we gave Austin Daye chance after chance we resigned him and hoped he would become something but his confidence was nonexistent and he was very weak.

He didn’t even look like he knew what was going on most of the time. Even three years in he was still doing rookie things like dribbling with one or two seconds left on the shot clock, like he was still on college time.

Not sure what we were thinking when we picked him.

He was like 7'0 that was supposed to have a jumpshot so I see why we picked him.

Dre is a nice guy by all accounts. Just not a particularly good basketball player.

He should be thankful; Detroit made him rich as hell (in the pro athlete sense).

Daye had the greatest stroke I've ever seen, but I'm not a basketball expert. Didn't he have the NBA record for consecutive 3's made?

Josh Smith is my worst.

Nothing in particular against Drummond, Iverson, or even Darko. Drummond did help us win a little for a while when SVG was trying to re-create Dwight Howard Orlando. Iverson was put beneath Rodney "better than Billups" Stuckey with Rip, Tay, and Sheed playing out of position. Darko had even less fire than Drummond and would be a bust in any situation, but maybe would've been better with more minutes.

EDIT: Josh Smith something something. When just two of him, Monroe, or Drummond were on the floor the +/- was decent. Playing all three was a bad idea. Maybe defensible for 5 games or something to start the season, but it was such a failure that it should have been scratched permanently. Not even used for a few minutes each game. Maybe with 20 seconds left and they're on defense and Smoove could defend the inball play, but to be safe just never would have been better.

Just to be clear. I meant worst player from an overall franchise success over a given amount of time. I meant a negative investment that wasted 8 years of my life.

No one could name a longer standing piston with zero success than Andre Drummond

gusman wrote:No one could name a longer standing piston with zero success than Andre Drummond

I tend to not blame Drummond for the fact that his team labelled him the franchise player when he was clearly a 4th or 5th best player on a decent team type of guy. Blame the front office for not knowing how to build a team. Blaming Drummond when our GM's were signing guys like cap-crippling Josh Smith and John Leuer while dumping guys like Khris Middleton and Dinwiddie for nothing is wild.

Those teams were terrible because ownership had no patience and thought just overpaying random free agents was the key to putting butts in seats.

We at least made the playoffs a couple of times with Drummond as a starter.
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