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Alrighty, I feel like the discourse surrounding Jalen Brunson has effectively died as it’s been made pretty clear he’s not a realistic target, probably time to start talking about this guy:

Do you want this guy? If so, at what price?

How much do you think it would take to prevent a matched offer?

Does our apparent interest in him say anything about our approach to the draft? Do you think our interest in him rests on how the draft goes for us?

Snakebites wrote:Alrighty, I feel like the discourse surrounding Jalen Brunson has effectively died as it’s been made pretty clear he’s not a realistic target, probably time to start talking about this guy:

Do you want this guy? If so, at what price?

How much do you think it would take to prevent a matched offer?

Does our apparent interest in him say anything about our approach to the draft? Do you think our interest in him rests on how the draft goes for us?

I see appeal for him as a 6th man type scorer off the bench, and he pairs well really with Cade or Hayes being bigger guards. I don't love him as a starter. One thing Weaver made clear, he's wants more scoring.

I would be fine with something in the 3 years $36 to $39 range but anything more than that I'd stay away. Hard to say at what range Cleveland matches, or if a sign-and-trade is possible at all.

I think multiple teams would have interest in him at the MLE, but don't think he really makes sense for most of the 4 or 5 teams with cap space greater than the MLE except perhaps us and Indiana.

Also, I'd rather sign Brunson at $90 million over 4 years than Sexton at $60 million over 4 years.

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Snakebites wrote:Alrighty, I feel like the discourse surrounding Jalen Brunson has effectively died as it’s been made pretty clear he’s not a realistic target, probably time to start talking about this guy:

Do you want this guy? If so, at what price?

How much do you think it would take to prevent a matched offer?

Does our apparent interest in him say anything about our approach to the draft? Do you think our interest in him rests on how the draft goes for us?

I see appeal for him as a 6th man type scorer off the bench, and he pairs well really with Cade or Hayes being bigger guards. I don't love him as a starter. One thing Weaver made clear, he's wants more scoring.

I would be fine with something in the 3 years $36 to $39 range but anything more than that I'd stay away. Hard to say at what range Cleveland matches, or if a sign-and-trade is possible at all.

I think multiple teams would have interest in him at the MLE, but don't think he really makes sense for most of the 4 or 5 teams with cap space greater than the MLE except perhaps us and Indiana.

Can't imagine Cleveland not matching a deal in the 36-39 range. That's barely above the MLE if memory serves.

I think it would take upwards of 18 mil per to make them think twice but then we've got to consider if he's even worth that price, especially coming off injury.

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"Do you want this guy? If so, at what price?

How much do you think it would take to prevent a matched offer?"

Have no real interesting signing him unless it was at a bargain price, in which case the Cavs match

"Does our apparent interest in him say anything about our approach to the draft? Do you think our interest in him rests on how the draft goes for us?"

Not really, no.

Given we've been linked to a lot of different guys and different trade scenarios we could be drafting anyone at this stage.

I doubt Weaver is going to show his hand since we seem to have a tight organisation when it comes to leaking moves before they happen



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Yes, a little. I think he can be a good add, but I don’t know if he’s about to improve or a Ben Gordon situation.

$16-19million per.

More then that

Doubt it. How the draft falls determines if we go after free agency to some extent.

Yes. See previous

My feeling on it is that I doubt I’d personally be willing to offer him anything the Cavs wouldn’t match. I don’t love him as a starter, too many holes in his game.

Though I acknowledge I’m probably too picky here…

I will definitely take sexton at 18 mill per year he can score plus we have Cade alongside him

Do anyone think Cavs will match at 18 per season

4 years 72 mill with a player or team option on the 4th year

Are the Pistons trading Grant for another pick and keeping salary low, with flexibility. Or are the Pistons going ALL IN, locking up a team that will then re-up Bey, Hayes, Stewart, Diallo next off-season.

If its all in, Sexton might be a great high octane offense guy.

I don't trust any statements before the draft or free agency, and being that we'll draft before FA begins, we may end up with a guard that negates the need for Sexton. Personally, I'd rather draft one of the many upside guards in the draft rather than pay sexton, however, if we go 4/5's in the draft, I'd take Sexton in a 6th man, Lou Williams type role. 3 yr 54 mil. with a team option on the 3rd. A fair offer that Cleveland may not match.

I certainly don't hate it at 18M if Ayton doesn't happen. I wouldn't do a semi-big FA acquisition on top of a max contract this off-season, even if they could make it work. I would make sure to have a 2nd max contract slot for next off-season just in case.

But if no Ayton, 4 for 72M seems reasonable. I would want it to be a 3+1 with the last year being a team option. If that's possible I do it. Other than being sure health isn't an issue going forward, the only big concern for me is his defense next to Cade.

If we draft a guard there’s no point in chasing him. Also, Cleveland seem to want to bring him back at a reasonable cost, so if we try to steal him it’s going to cost close to 20mil per, and that’s too rich for my liking.

Jsindto wrote:I certainly don't hate it at 18M if Ayton doesn't happen. I wouldn't do a semi-big FA acquisition on top of a max contract this off-season, even if they could make it work. I would make sure to have a 2nd max contract slot for next off-season just in case.

But if no Ayton, 4 for 72M seems reasonable. I would want it to be a 3+1 with the last year being a team option. If that's possible I do it. Other than being sure health isn't an issue going forward, the only big concern for me is his defense next to Cade.

Is it possible for us to have 2 Max slots sitting there next off-season?

Assuming we don't extend Grant & don't overpay Bags of course.

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Pharaoh wrote:

Jsindto wrote:I certainly don't hate it at 18M if Ayton doesn't happen. I wouldn't do a semi-big FA acquisition on top of a max contract this off-season, even if they could make it work. I would make sure to have a 2nd max contract slot for next off-season just in case.

But if no Ayton, 4 for 72M seems reasonable. I would want it to be a 3+1 with the last year being a team option. If that's possible I do it. Other than being sure health isn't an issue going forward, the only big concern for me is his defense next to Cade.

Is it possible for us to have 2 Max slots sitting there next off-season?

Assuming we don't extend Grant & don't overpay Bags of course.

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Yes, but a team in Detroit probably doesn't have the need for that. Because the possibility of landing two top guys like that is exceedingly unlikely. So as long as there's one max contract slot available in case there's someone available they can get, that's ideal. But the chances of TWO guys they can get at that level is just unrealistic for Detroit.

Im not sure how to feel about it. He is a scorer but very iso almost selfish. He is the perfect type of spark plug bench guy but doubt he's signing up for that.

Jsindto wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:

Jsindto wrote:I certainly don't hate it at 18M if Ayton doesn't happen. I wouldn't do a semi-big FA acquisition on top of a max contract this off-season, even if they could make it work. I would make sure to have a 2nd max contract slot for next off-season just in case.

But if no Ayton, 4 for 72M seems reasonable. I would want it to be a 3+1 with the last year being a team option. If that's possible I do it. Other than being sure health isn't an issue going forward, the only big concern for me is his defense next to Cade.

Is it possible for us to have 2 Max slots sitting there next off-season?

Assuming we don't extend Grant & don't overpay Bags of course.

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Yes, but a team in Detroit probably doesn't have the need for that. Because the possibility of landing two top guys like that is exceedingly unlikely. So as long as there's one max contract slot available in case there's someone available they can get, that's ideal. But the chances of TWO guys they can get at that level is just unrealistic for Detroit.

Let's assume we roll into next season with this roster:

Cade - Hayes - CoJo
#5 (Daniels) - Diallo - Jackson
Bey - Livers
Grant - Bags
Stewart - KO - Garza

Finish with the 7th or 8th worst record, don't move into the top 4.

In order to create those 2 Max slots who goes

CoJo, Diallo, Jackson, Grant, KO & Garza?

You're looking at it as signing 2 absolute stars where I'm thinking we could get 1, then add 2 MLE types

Cade - Hayes
Daniels - MLE type
Bey - Livers
Star - Bags
Stewart - MLE type

Plus we'd also have the 7th or 8th pick

Key here would be that we added dudes that actually compliment Cade & Daniels and the team as a whole is better balanced and then poised to make deep playoff runs the next however many years.

I can stomach 1 more bad season but after that we either really gotta make moves or we'll be living in no man's land again, regardless of how good Cade is because the East isn't likely to get easier any time soon.



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Love his defense

Jsindto wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:

Jsindto wrote:I certainly don't hate it at 18M if Ayton doesn't happen. I wouldn't do a semi-big FA acquisition on top of a max contract this off-season, even if they could make it work. I would make sure to have a 2nd max contract slot for next off-season just in case.

But if no Ayton, 4 for 72M seems reasonable. I would want it to be a 3+1 with the last year being a team option. If that's possible I do it. Other than being sure health isn't an issue going forward, the only big concern for me is his defense next to Cade.

Is it possible for us to have 2 Max slots sitting there next off-season?

Assuming we don't extend Grant & don't overpay Bags of course.

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Yes, but a team in Detroit probably doesn't have the need for that. Because the possibility of landing two top guys like that is exceedingly unlikely. So as long as there's one max contract slot available in case there's someone available they can get, that's ideal. But the chances of TWO guys they can get at that level is just unrealistic for Detroit.

They absolutely have a need for it; any team without a single max player and isn't already contending for a championship can certainly use two of them. Whether two will be available is the question.

Manocad wrote:

Jsindto wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:Is it possible for us to have 2 Max slots sitting there next off-season?

Assuming we don't extend Grant & don't overpay Bags of course.

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Yes, but a team in Detroit probably doesn't have the need for that. Because the possibility of landing two top guys like that is exceedingly unlikely. So as long as there's one max contract slot available in case there's someone available they can get, that's ideal. But the chances of TWO guys they can get at that level is just unrealistic for Detroit.

They absolutely have a need for it; any team without a single max player and isn't already contending for a championship can certainly use two of them. Whether two will be available is the question.

The Pistons aren't going to land any absolute max players though. They'll get guys that are borderline max players... not getting a top 25 or top 30 player to come in for max money, but the guys beyond that tier like Ayton(2022), Poole(2023), Wiggins(2023), VanVleet(2023), etc... guys that should probably be paid less than Max, but for Detroit to land them they have to pony up max to get them to come.

Next summer Bey and Stewart are also eligible for extensions as well.

bstein14 wrote:

Manocad wrote:

Jsindto wrote:Yes, but a team in Detroit probably doesn't have the need for that. Because the possibility of landing two top guys like that is exceedingly unlikely. So as long as there's one max contract slot available in case there's someone available they can get, that's ideal. But the chances of TWO guys they can get at that level is just unrealistic for Detroit.

They absolutely have a need for it; any team without a single max player and isn't already contending for a championship can certainly use two of them. Whether two will be available is the question.

The Pistons aren't going to land any absolute max players though. They'll get guys that are borderline max players... not getting a top 25 or top 30 player to come in for max money, but the guys beyond that tier like Ayton(2022), Poole(2023), Wiggins(2023), VanVleet(2023), etc... guys that should probably be paid less than Max, but for Detroit to land them they have to pony up max to get them to come.

Next summer Bey and Stewart are also eligible for extensions as well.

Yeah, that's covered under "available." If a player won't come to Detroit then they're not available.