Funny thing is, right now we have 15 guys under contract. I expect 4-5 of those guys to be cut tho.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:48 am
by coordinator0
Yeah, the Pistons need to clean up the roster a bit. There are nine guards under contract right now with only Diallo having any real/likely ability to play the three. It sounds like Walker will be bought out but there's a clear logjam in the depth guys. They're in a weird spot with Hayes now too.
If Bagley is brought back and Olynyk isn't moved there aren't very many minutes available in the frontcourt either. Seems like Bey and probably Livers have the three locked down. It will be interesting to see how much more the roster changes. I'm starting to hedge in the direction of Weaver sitting on the cap space for a year to see how some things shake out.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:50 am
by chrbal
vege wrote:Funny thing is, right now we have 15 guys under contract. I expect 4-5 of those guys to be cut tho.
Diallo should get his option picked up. Walker is getting waived most likely. I can’t see how Edwards sticks around. I’d decline Frank , and I can’t see a role for Garza unless you count the motor city cruise but his option declined. Saben Lee needs to figure it out, or he’s probably out.
The crazy thing is you know McGruder will be a Piston this season.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:54 am
by Kalamazoo317
I think Kemba gets bought out, the four team options aren't picked up (though I'd love if Haimi came back, just predicting here), and Pickett isn't brought back. Not sure on McGruder. And we might have some bodies going out in an Ayton trade.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:57 am
by Kilo
Kemba should at least give back vets minimum in buyout. I think Garza makes the team as the 3rd big down in MCC most of the season. I'd let Hami walk at this point. Saben Lee also should be gone.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:29 am
by whitehops
i swear to god if weaver waives and stretches kemba walker...
i think he will by the way, it's only like a $3M cap hit over the next three seasons as opposed to the entire $9M cutting into out cap space this off season.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:45 am
by zeebneeb
whitehops wrote:i swear to god if weaver waives and stretches kemba walker...
i think he will by the way, it's only like a $3M cap hit over the next three seasons as opposed to the entire $9M cutting into out cap space this off season.
Weaver is the stretch master.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:36 am
by vege
He posted and explained everything in another thread. We could have almost 45 million in cap space.
Resistance wrote:
vege wrote:
Spoiler:
This is Detroit's correct information after the draft
coordinator0 wrote:So after the Grant trade there has been a lot of talk about Detroit's cap space situation this summer. I like to actually see what makes up those numbers, and if anybody else does as well here they are for you:
Under Contract
Kelly Olynyk - $12,804,878 Cade Cunningham - $10,552,800 Kemba Walker - $9,165,471 Killian Hayes - $5,837,760 Cory Joseph - $5,155,000 Isaiah Stewart - $3,433,320 Saddiq Bey - $2,959,080 Saben Lee - $1,752,638 Isaiah Livers - $1,563,518
Team Option
Hamidou Diallo - $5,200,000 Frank Jackson - $3,150,000 Carsen Edwards - $1,815,677 Luka Garza - $1,563,518
Dead Money
DeAndre Jordan - $7,827,907 Dewayne Dedmon - $2,866,667 Zhaire Smith - $1,068,200
These numbers are sourced from Spotrac (Keith Smith) now that Pincus no longer does stuff for Basketball Insiders.
To do some short math:
Including all players under contract, dead money, the cap holds for Ivey and Duren, and those with team options: $87,940,874 in committed salary
Including all players under contract, dead money, the cap holds for Ivey and Duren, but without those with team options: $ 76,211,679 in committed salary
The 2022 NBA Salary Cap is expected to be set at $122,000,000. I don't believe that is finalized until the moratorium period but it should be close.
To note - there is something called an incomplete roster charge. If a team has less than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks) a team gets a cap hold for each number of players less than 12. It is equal to the rookie minimum contract with this year should be $1,004,159.
I used the number that he gave for Duren's Cap Hold. I didn't check if Detroit drafted a player in the second round because it doesn't matter for this.
Different Scenarios
* Option A -- Bare Bones
* (9) players (Olynyk, Cunningham, Walker, C Joseph, Hayes, Stewart, Bey, Lee, Livers) + (3) Cap Holds (Ivey, Duren, Min Salary)
* Option B -- With Team Option or Unguaranteed
* (9) players (see above) + (2) Cap Holds (Ivey, Duren) + (4) Team Option (Jackson, Diallo, Edwards , Garza)
* Option C -- With Everybody
* (9) players (see above) + (2) Cap Holds (Ivery, Duren) + (4) Team Option (see above) + (3) Possible Cap Holds (Bagley, McGruder, Pickett)
Isaiah Stewart...........$3,433,320......$3,433,320......$3,433,320 Saddiq Bey...............$2,959,080......$2,959,080.......$2,959,080 Saben Lee................$1,752,638......$1,752,638......$1,752,638 Isaiah Livers.............$1,563,518.......$1,563,518......$1,563,518
Cap Holds 2022 – Ivey................$7,155,240......$7,155,240.......$7,155,240 2022 – Duren.............$4,069,200......$4,069,200........$4,069,200 Min Salary................$1,004,158.................$0...................$0
Team Option - Unguaranteed Frank Jackson......................$0......$3,150,000........$3,150,000 Hamidou Diallo.....................$0.....$5,200,000.........$5,200,000 Carsen Edwards....................$0.....$1,815,677.........$1,815,677 Luka Garza.........................$0......$1,563,518.........$1,563,518
Possible Cap Holds Marvin Bagley III...................$0.................$0.......$28,280,284 Rodney McGruder..................$0.................$0........$1,766,970 Jamorko Pickett...................$0.................$0........$1,576,305
Salary Cap............$122,000,000......$122,000,000....$122,000,000 Team Salary............$77,215,837.......$87,940,874.....$119,564,433 ______________________________________________________________ Cap Space..............$44,784,163.......$34,059,126........$2,435,567
Detroit will need to get the headcount down to 15 to start the season, so they have some sorting to do do on the contract situations [Team Option (Jackson, Diallo, Edwards , Garza)] and [Possible Cap Holds (Bagley, McGruder, Pickett)] that are fuzzy at the moment. Bagley's cap hold ($28,280,284) in particular chews up a huge amount of cap space.
I don't expect K Walker to give up much if anything in a buyout - waiver, so it will mostly be shifting his $9.1 million from the section with active players to the Waiver Charges section when Detroit settles up with K Walker and his agent. Then add another minimum salary if none of the players with fuzzy contract situations are kept under the Detroit umbrella.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:03 pm
by coordinator0
With the team options all decided on (reportedly), the Pistons are sitting on $81,411,679 in committed salaries, dead money, and the cap holds for Ivey and Duren. I'm not really worried about any of the other cap holds since they are practically irrelevant.
Tendering Bagley with a qualifying doesn't change anything since his cap hold takes precedence. If the Pistons are re-signing him then that's probably the first move that gets done procedurally since the new deal would reduce his $28 million cap hold.
So Detroit will be working with something like this: $122,000,000 - $81,411,679 = $40,588,321. Then subtract whatever Bagley's new deal starts at from $40,588,321 and you get what the Pistons will be able to actually use in free agency. They will also gain whatever (likely minimal) amount of cap space from buying out Kemba Walker.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:30 pm
by bstein14
coordinator0 wrote:With the team options all decided on (reportedly), the Pistons are sitting on $81,411,679 in committed salaries, dead money, and the cap holds for Ivey and Duren. I'm not really worried about any of the other cap holds since they are practically irrelevant.
Tendering Bagley with a qualifying doesn't change anything since his cap hold takes precedence. If the Pistons are re-signing him then that's probably the first move that gets done procedurally since the new deal would reduce his $28 million cap hold.
So Detroit will be working with something like this: $122,000,000 - $81,411,679 = $40,588,321. Then subtract whatever Bagley's new deal starts at from $40,588,321 and you get what the Pistons will be able to actually use in free agency. They will also gain whatever (likely minimal) amount of cap space from buying out Kemba Walker.
Vet min is $2.8 million so I'd expect we should be able to buy him out for $3 million less than his contract. Which puts us at $43.5 million before Bagley. $8.5 million to Bagley would leave us with $35 million to spend on FAs or absorb in other contracts.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:41 pm
by 440BB
bstein14 wrote:Vet min is $2.8 million so I'd expect we should be able to buy him out for $3 million less than his contract. Which puts us at $43.5 million before Bagley. $8.5 million to Bagley would leave us with $35 million to spend on FAs or absorb in other contracts.
All we need then is to complete the Westbrook-Olynyk trade and we're set!
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:59 pm
by bstein14
440BB wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Vet min is $2.8 million so I'd expect we should be able to buy him out for $3 million less than his contract. Which puts us at $43.5 million before Bagley. $8.5 million to Bagley would leave us with $35 million to spend on FAs or absorb in other contracts.
All we need then is to complete the Westbrook-Olynyk trade and we're set!
Westbrook for Olynyk gives us more cap room for next summer. I'd probably do Westbrook + 2027 unprotected first for Olynyk + CoJo but I know others here wouldn't.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:30 am
by Jsindto
bstein14 wrote:
440BB wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Vet min is $2.8 million so I'd expect we should be able to buy him out for $3 million less than his contract. Which puts us at $43.5 million before Bagley. $8.5 million to Bagley would leave us with $35 million to spend on FAs or absorb in other contracts.
All we need then is to complete the Westbrook-Olynyk trade and we're set!
Westbrook for Olynyk gives us more cap room for next summer. I'd probably do Westbrook + 2027 unprotected first for Olynyk + CoJo but I know others here wouldn't.
That would be utterly absurd. Olynyk only has $3M guaranteed next year. So this is his last year in Detroit, assuming he doesn't end up having a very good season. So you'd be doing the Lakers the ultimate solid for.....a 2027 first.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:40 am
by DetroitDon15
11 players under contract next year and 30-35 mill in cap space. I’d like an impact signing and not 3 overpaid vet signings who will play limited minutes and will carry no trade value. Lookin at you Joseph.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:54 am
by Pharaoh
coordinator0 wrote:With the team options all decided on (reportedly), the Pistons are sitting on $81,411,679 in committed salaries, dead money, and the cap holds for Ivey and Duren. I'm not really worried about any of the other cap holds since they are practically irrelevant.
Tendering Bagley with a qualifying doesn't change anything since his cap hold takes precedence. If the Pistons are re-signing him then that's probably the first move that gets done procedurally since the new deal would reduce his $28 million cap hold.
So Detroit will be working with something like this: $122,000,000 - $81,411,679 = $40,588,321. Then subtract whatever Bagley's new deal starts at from $40,588,321 and you get what the Pistons will be able to actually use in free agency. They will also gain whatever (likely minimal) amount of cap space from buying out Kemba Walker.
Bagley around the MLE or less (+/-12 Mil) leaves us approx 30 to spend.
I'm hoping for Jalen Smith since I'm not counting KO in future plans.
Assuming a MLE type deal for Smith I'd just as soon roll over the remaining cap space and go with:
Stewart - Duren - KO KO - Bags - Smith Bey - Livers Ivey - Diallo Cade - Hayes - CoJo
Can bring back McGruder for vet depth, bring back Pickett or any other cheap as option and call it a off-season
Detroit is now at $100,664,479 in committed salaries, dead money, and first round cap holds after adding Burks and Noel. There are 14 players on the roster at the moment.
That puts them at $21,335,521 in cap space before (if) Bagley is re-signed, which like I said earlier will be the first thing done procedurally. So after that maybe somewhere around $12 million is actual cap space to spend.
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:56 am
by The Moose
looking ahead at the 2023 salary since we are punting on our space this season
Assuming a few things:
- Bring back Bagley this offseason around 8million a year - Cut Olynyk's partially guaranteed contract (3mill) during the next offseason
The only players under contract would be Ivey, Duren, Cunningham, Livers, Hayes, Bey, Stewart, Bagley, Lee + 2 million in dead cap for Dedmon. Add in a 2023 lottery pick for somewhere between 4-9 million.
That would be around 40-50 million in total salary depending on where they pick, and the salary cap next season is anticipated to be somewhere around 130 million
They could potentially have 80-90 million in cap space
Re: Detroit Pistons Summer 2022 Salary Info
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:34 am
by bstein14
If we want to have ultimate cap space next summer.
#1 Find an expiring for Olynyk #2 Decline the $7+ million option for Killian's 4th year. #3 Sign Bagley to a 2 year deal where the 2nd year is a team option, just like Diallo got last summer.
Cade $11.0 Ivey $7.5 Duren $4.5 Stewart $5.2 Bey $4.5 Livers (team option at league min) $1.8 Lee (team option at league min) $1.9 2023 lottery pick $4 + 4 minimum salary cap holds $4.0 Total cap room used: $46 million 2023 projected salary cap $131 million total cap space $85 million ----- Could easily fit two max players with the young core next year. I have my doubts we will, but we could be moving two of these guys to the bench and adding two max players. Even if Bagley and or Hayes end up being worth keeping we could still have about $70 million in cap space.
