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....I mean, everything else has been beat to death and training camp is still over a month away.


And Casey is the elephant in the room. Maybe only a baby elephant to some while we still suck anyway, but the baby will be growing quickly over the next year.

This guy is the real problem
Senior Group Tickets Executive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brandon Goebel

How he’s managed to stick around without taking the blame by more fans is beyond me

chrbal wrote:This guy is the real problem
Senior Group Tickets Executive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brandon Goebel

How he’s managed to stick around without taking the blame by more fans is beyond me

Hey, as long as Casey goes, I'm willing to send Goebel along with him.

I already did this last year, or the year before can't remember. He's a really good dev coach, but he's a horrendous X's and O's guy. I've settled in for the haul now. He's gonna be with the team for at least this year, and next year as head coach.

When the teams ready to truly try and take that next step, Casey will probably end up in the front office here, alongside Weaver.

Also, every dead horse can be beaten just a little more.

Sure. Time to kill, let’s discuss.

I actually really like Casey for this stage. I think he’s wise, a great leader, and a good guy for the youngsters to learn from.

His game plans aren’t great, his adjustments in-game are bad. His pressers are good. He’s very likable. I agree that he’s a FO candidate if he wants to be.

This horse has more than been beaten to death.

If the goal this year is to develop rather than chase a playoff spot, which is probably the goal, a good development coach who sucks at X's and O's IS IDEAL FOR THE SEASON.

Not to mention that considering Casey's contract extension signed last May runs only through the 2023-24 season, what indication does anyone have from Gores or Weaver that Casey will be coaching this team any longer than that? And quite frankly if it looks like the team jumps out of the gate, surprises everyone, and it's clear Casey is creating losses that could have been wins, who's to say Gores doesn't just buy out the last year of his contract and bring a better coach in for 2023-24?

Casey IS going to be coach this season, period. Just like Killian is going to get minutes and Bagley is going to get paid $12.5 million. Ain't no sense crying over spilt milk.

chrbal wrote:This guy is the real problem
Senior Group Tickets Executive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brandon Goebel

How he’s managed to stick around without taking the blame by more fans is beyond me

Very astute observation. I saw that guy in a bar once; he clearly had a fake tan, was shamelessly hitting on women, and sent out mean tweets after getting rejected.

Cool, let's jump on this bandwagon early. I hated this signing when we made it. So, well Casey can get guys to play hard for him... most of the time (it was definitely a stretch last season where it looked like the team gave up on him), but his actual coaching, the X's and O's, (lack of) adjustments is just not good.

Oh yeah let's not forget about his former team, the Raptors. Watching 50 win 2 and 3 seed Toronto teams choke/lose or fight for their lives against 6th and 7th seeds year in and year out was just insanity. Maybe those teams overachieved and were never that great to begin with.... maybe, but a lot of that has to go on coaching because every year though? And those playoff bottom feeders in the East were not that strong, come on now. Why is the 7th seed coming in your building and winning game one all the time? Why are the Raptors never prepared?

When we start making playoff appearances, I do not wanna see that man holding the clipboard. No way we reach our full potential as a team with him as the lead tactician.

King Bugs wrote:Cool, let's jump on this bandwagon early. I hated this signing when we made it. So, well Casey can get guys to play hard for him... most of the time (it was definitely a stretch last season where it looked like the team gave up on him), but his actual coaching, the X's and O's, (lack of) adjustments is just not good.

Oh yeah let's not forget about his former team, the Raptors. Watching 50 win 2 and 3 seed Toronto teams choke/lose or fight for their lives against 6th and 7th seeds year in and year out was just insanity. Maybe those teams overachieved and were never that great to begin with.... maybe, but a lot of that has to go on coaching because every year though? And those playoff bottom feeders in the East were not that strong, come on now. Why is the 7th seed coming in your building and winning game one all the time? Why are the Raptors never prepared?

When we start making playoff appearances, I do not wanna see that man holding the clipboard. No way we reach our full potential as a team with him as the lead tactician.

I’m gonna agree and disagree here. Sure they should’ve won more but Derozan was a choke artist and Lebron owned the east for 10 years straight. Also I’m pretty sure if Casey got Kawhi and Lebron left the east he would’ve done well with Nurse as offensive coordinator.

I agree though he’s not good at all at X’s and O’s. Doesn’t deserve to get fired. He deserves to finish out his contract but he needs to improve next season and the season after. I’m afraid we’ll extend him at that point if we made playoffs. We’ll find out.

Manocad wrote:

chrbal wrote:This guy is the real problem
Senior Group Tickets Executive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brandon Goebel

How he’s managed to stick around without taking the blame by more fans is beyond me

Very astute observation. I saw that guy in a bar once; he clearly had a fake tan, was shamelessly hitting on women, and sent out mean tweets after getting rejected.

Agreed. Such awful tweets... just unbearable.

Uncle Mxy wrote:

Manocad wrote:

chrbal wrote:This guy is the real problem
Senior Group Tickets Executive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brandon Goebel

How he’s managed to stick around without taking the blame by more fans is beyond me

Very astute observation. I saw that guy in a bar once; he clearly had a fake tan, was shamelessly hitting on women, and sent out mean tweets after getting rejected.

Agreed. Such awful tweets... just unbearable.

Read on Twitter

Will his tyranny never end

Goebel is out of control. This aggression will not stand, man.

Manocad wrote:Goebel is out of control. This aggression will not stand, man.

To be fair, Goebel came up in the SVG era, so between that and Covid, he hasn't really had a chance to blossom. Hoping Weaver can help him shed his past and shine this season. If not, he'll flip him for a junior account exec or at least a backup mascot.

Let's not get too antsy in the off season and just let this disgusting episode play out. It's a development year anyway.

440BB wrote:

Manocad wrote:Goebel is out of control. This aggression will not stand, man.

To be fair, Goebel came up in the SVG era, so between that and Covid, he hasn't really had a chance to blossom. Hoping Weaver can help him shed his past and shine this season. If not, he'll flip him for a junior account exec or at least a backup mascot.

Let's not get too antsy in the off season and just let this disgusting episode play out. It's a development year anyway.

I like the backup mascot idea. Scooby Doo had Scrappy Doo, so maybe Happer filling in for Hooper?

Manocad wrote:

440BB wrote:

Manocad wrote:Goebel is out of control. This aggression will not stand, man.

To be fair, Goebel came up in the SVG era, so between that and Covid, he hasn't really had a chance to blossom. Hoping Weaver can help him shed his past and shine this season. If not, he'll flip him for a junior account exec or at least a backup mascot.

Let's not get too antsy in the off season and just let this disgusting episode play out. It's a development year anyway.

I like the backup mascot idea. Scooby Doo had Scrappy Doo, so maybe Happer filling in for Hooper?

Hasn’t their already been a backup mascot for Detroit?

I don't think Casey will be the Coach when we're serious about winning again. He's fine as a lame duck coach while we're just collecting young assets though.

I'm in no way saying Casey is this amazing coach that will lead us to the championship. However, it's kind of hard to say that Casey is a problem when the organization hasn't been trying to win basketball games for the past couple of years. The real question is if Casey is doing a good job in keeping the players motivated and the young players developing.

He's been fantastic at the first part. Despite the record of the club being a garbage fire, the morale of the team hasn't really seemed to falter. In terms of development, it's still early but that seems good as well.

Not sure why you'd switch from Casey until the organization is activity pushing for a playoff run.

foolinc wrote:I'm in no way saying Casey is this amazing coach that will lead us to the championship. However, it's kind of hard to say that Casey is a problem when the organization hasn't been trying to win basketball games for the past couple of years. The real question is if Casey is doing a good job in keeping the players motivated and the young players developing.

He's been fantastic at the first part. Despite the record of the club being a garbage fire, the morale of the team hasn't really seemed to falter. In terms of development, it's still early but that seems good as well.

Not sure why you'd switch from Casey until the organization is activity pushing for a playoff run.

I don't think there's evidence that Casey is even a bad coach with this team from an X's and O's standpoint. Look what he's had to deal with:

2018-19 - brought in to coach a "win now" team that everyone knew never really had a shot at anything
2019-20 - dumpster fire
2020-21 - Year 1 of the rebuild; total roster overhaul and some promising new rookies
2021-22 - Year 2 of the rebuild; more promising rookies and continued development of second year players

Nowhere in the last two years should there truly have been X's and O's moves to win games IMO. All the moves should have been focused on developing young players, period, because there was no benefit to winning more games. Certainly if the team looks like they can win some games this year based on good X's and O's/in game adjustments then Casey should be operating in that fashion; the young guys should then start getting the taste of winning basketball vs losing for the sake of development. Can this year be the measuring stick for Casey? Sure, if the team looks ready to start putting a price on wins. But if they don't and another year of development looks like the right thing to do then the X's and O's/in game adjustments should have that goal in mind yet again.

People get too hung up on what players and coaches did in the past, even with different teams, as if no one in the league can ever improve on what they've done before.

I like a lot of the moves Dream Weaver has made over the years, but i believe resigning Casey to an extension may have been one of his poorest decisions. I constantly see people say Casey is good at developing players, but I haven't seen much evidence of it. Certainly a poor X's and O's coach.

He gives minimum developmental time to the kids who need it, and ends up giving way too many mins to old guys like Corey Jo, Wayne Ellington, Rodney, Plumlee ect.

He shouldn't be running these 15 deep rotations the last few years.

And one thing i don't think anyone mentioned is that NBA coaches rarely coach on the last year of a contract without getting an extension or fired before last year even starts. I would think the decision would be made end of this season.

I've been up and down with Casey, I'm not a huge fan but he is one of those players type coaches and can get guys to play hard for him and buy in which has its benefits.

I definitely don't like his offense and love of small ball. But for right now he's fine, our talent pool is pretty low for now so the players coach type is probably the best. So I'm not gonna hate on him as much we sometimes blame to much on him.

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