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Boston Celtics 55.5
Milwaukee Bucks 52.5
Phoenix Suns 52.5
Los Angeles Clippers 52.5
Golden State Warriors 51.5
Denver Nuggets 49.5
Philadelphia 76ers 49.5
Memphis Grizzlies 48.5
Dallas Mavericks 48.5
Miami Heat 48.5
Minnesota Timberwolves 47.5
Atlanta Hawks 46.5
Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
Brooklyn Nets 45.5
New Orleans Pelicans 44.5
Toronto Raptors 44.5
Chicago Bulls 43.5
Cleveland Cavaliers 42.5
Portland Trail Blazers 40.5
New York Knicks 39.5
Charlotte Hornets 36.5
Washington Wizards 35.5
Utah Jazz 32.5
Sacramento Kings 32.5
Detroit Pistons 28.5
Oklahoma City Thunder 26.5
Orlando Magic 25.5
Indiana Pacers 24.5
Houston Rockets 23.5
San Antonio Spurs 23.5

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Seems like an easy over to me. OKC will be over as well. Jazz would be a sneaky under bet as I could see them trading Mitchell and tanking hard. Knicks seem like an easy under play - Thibs wears out welcome and big signing of Brunson ain't it.

I bet $100 on the over back when it was at 27.5, BUT I could easily see us being under if we go into tank mode. That said, I'm hoping we fight for every win this season until at least the trade deadline so we'll see where we end up. The only real reason there is a risk of going under is if Weaver see's we're not good enough to make the play-in and he trades off vets and lets young guys play bigger minutes.


I also have this 4 team parlay where I need Cleveland, Boston, Denver, and Golden State to win their divisions and I'll win like $9K on a $50 bet.... not super likely because Cleveland was a long shot over Milwaukee/Chicago but we'll see how it plays out. Denver might also be in a dog fight with Minny for the Northwest Division crown.

Kilo wrote:Seems like an easy over to me.

Not if you believe some of the folks here.

- Ivey is a rookie so he'll suck
- Duren is a raw rookie so expect no contribution from him until year 3
- No one is a stretch 4
- No one can protect the paint
- Killian is still on the team
- Casey is going to tank

So the team will win 23-25 games again. Oddly enough, the people willing to bet money--which no one here with hot takes on what WILL happen is willing to do (shocker, with a litany of comical excuses given)--seem to think that betting the over on that opening line of 26.5 wins looked like a pretty good bet. My contention has been that this team could stumble blindfolded to 27 wins.

We actually went up a win or two. I thought we were 26.5. League is still going through an offseason.

Under. Super young team with poor spacing and poor perimeter defense. Expecting to be in the bottom third of the league on both sides of the ball. One more bite at the apple, which is a good thing IMO.

I'm torn.

On one hand, I don't see this team winning 29 games. On the other hand, I hesitate to go against significant line movement in this type of situation.

He Filled it Up wrote:Under. Super young team with poor spacing and poor perimeter defense. Expecting to be in the bottom third of the league on both sides of the ball. One more bite at the apple, which is a good thing IMO.

Pretty much agree. Cade should improve, but the rookies, are, well, rookies. And Casey will hopefully be intent on giving them whatever minutes most benefit their development with winning being secondary. People soured on Grant but he was still one of our better players.

I said it back when the total was 26.5;

I'll eat my hat(which I like very much. Soft grey Pistons hat)if this team doesn't win over 28 games.

The additions, and filled out starting lineup is such an upgrade, it's insane. Remember how well the team was playing at the end of the year?(11-16 after the all-star break) that's a 33 win team. That team featured Corey Joseph starting a bunch of games, and playing guys that won't ever be on an NBA team unless it's as bad as the Pistons were last year.

The bench has also been boosted by major additions, one of which owns the left top of the key, best shooter in the league.

Apocalyptic for me, is 28 wins. Average 33. Amazing 40.

bstein14 wrote:I bet $100 on the over back when it was at 27.5, BUT I could easily see us being under if we go into tank mode. That said, I'm hoping we fight for every win this season until at least the trade deadline so we'll see where we end up. The only real reason there is a risk of going under is if Weaver see's we're not good enough to make the play-in and he trades off vets and lets young guys play bigger minutes.


I also have this 4 team parlay where I need Cleveland, Boston, Denver, and Golden State to win their divisions and I'll win like $9K on a $50 bet.... not super likely because Cleveland was a long shot over Milwaukee/Chicago but we'll see how it plays out. Denver might also be in a dog fight with Minny for the Northwest Division crown.

Which vets are blocking young guys that are impacting winning in any way? Hell, Grant was better than any vet they have leftover this season by a significant margin and the team actually did relatively fine without him. Are we going to say it's a stealth tank move if they trade Olynyk/CoJo or Burks? I don't see it.

The Pistons are going to live or die with the youngsters, even moreso than last season. There will be growing pains but I expect more than 28 wins because I think a 2nd year and healthy Cade will be too good. If we don't see some win progression, I think it's trouble for the long term outlook tbh. Young team and all by I expect 28 wins, at minimum.

I think we are going to be too dependent on younger players, our best veteran player is Kelly Olynyk.

There’s always the chance that guys progress unexpectedly and we have a couple of well timed breakout seasons, but my instinct is that this is a fair line.

Depends on the attitude, we already know these guys can tank if need be, could be a lot of bruises down the stretch to Bey/Cade etc. They are still a year away, get another good draft this year and fill holes in free agency, make a run next year. Pretty good work, going into 2023-2024 should be looking to be in the playoffs. Year 3 of Weaver, 4th season, 4 drafts.

I think the young Trio of Cade, Bey and Stewart are all poised to take decent jumps this season. Hopeful for Bagley and Hayes to improve as well, but overall this is a big year for us as far as internal improvement goes. Stewart and Bey will be extension eligible after this season so there is literally millions on the line for them this year.

Snakebites wrote:our best veteran player is Kelly Olynyk.

Alec Burks

vege wrote:

Snakebites wrote:our best veteran player is Kelly Olynyk.

Alec Burks

I mean if you think that I think you can easily swap the names and my statement still holds up fine.

zeebneeb wrote:I said it back when the total was 26.5;

I'll eat my hat(which I like very much. Soft grey Pistons hat)if this team doesn't win over 28 games.

The additions, and filled out starting lineup is such an upgrade, it's insane. Remember how well the team was playing at the end of the year?(11-16 after the all-star break) that's a 33 win team. That team featured Corey Joseph starting a bunch of games, and playing guys that won't ever be on an NBA team unless it's as bad as the Pistons were last year.

The bench has also been boosted by major additions, one of which owns the left top of the key, best shooter in the league.

Apocalyptic for me, is 28 wins. Average 33. Amazing 40.

I agree whole heartedly, 28 wins floor, if we look good by the all-star break and Duren turns out to be an immediate Stud, I say push all the chips in and make that trade for an PF and Sg upgrade and make a strong push for the playoffs. The two trades I would go after would be on the Raptors if they whiff on the KD trade or Golden State if the Draymond Max thing becomes louder and if they have a slow start.

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DET_Athletics wrote:

zeebneeb wrote:I said it back when the total was 26.5;

I'll eat my hat(which I like very much. Soft grey Pistons hat)if this team doesn't win over 28 games.

The additions, and filled out starting lineup is such an upgrade, it's insane. Remember how well the team was playing at the end of the year?(11-16 after the all-star break) that's a 33 win team. That team featured Corey Joseph starting a bunch of games, and playing guys that won't ever be on an NBA team unless it's as bad as the Pistons were last year.

The bench has also been boosted by major additions, one of which owns the left top of the key, best shooter in the league.

Apocalyptic for me, is 28 wins. Average 33. Amazing 40.

I agree whole heartedly, 28 wins floor, if we look good by the all-star break and Duren turns out to be an immediate Stud, I say push all the chips in and make that trade for an PF and Sg upgrade and make a strong push for the playoffs. The two trades I would go after would be on the Raptors if they whiff on the KD trade or Golden State if the Draymond Max thing becomes louder and if they have a slow start.

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That's exactly what I wouldn't do, especially if the team looks like it will deliver a better than expected win total. To me that's a sign that building the team organically is working thus it should continue. Even if this team can come close to contending for a playoff spot as is, there is no signing IMO that would make them a serious championship contender this season, and especially not one that would appear to be part of the long term plan.

And don't get me wrong--if this team can win 40 games as is and somehow there is a trade available for a young stud (25 years old or younger) who has another projected 4-5 years left at a high level, would therefore figure into the long term plan and can be acquired without giving away the future, go for it. Obviously the team will still have the cap space to add another high caliber player in the offseason.

I think we’ll try to go for the Play In which means 10th seed but we won’t make it and most likely be 12th seed where no organization wants to be. The league sort of forces you to be there because post all star teams are either trying to win or lose on purpose like we have for the past few years. The next thing to winning the championship is winning the lottery and we got our golden boy. I’m gonna say that we get around 30 wins and hope for a King’s lottery night luck for next year’s draft. It would be good improvement. So over.

One more thought. Past burks we didn’t really add anyone good for a free agent. That’s going to be telling on our record.

Spider156 wrote:I think we’ll try to go for the Play In which means 10th seed but we won’t make it and most likely be 12th seed where no organization wants to be. The league sort of forces you to be there because post all star teams are either trying to win or lose on purpose like we have for the past few years. The next thing to winning the championship is winning the lottery and we got our golden boy. I’m gonna say that we get around 30 wins and hope for a King’s lottery night luck for next year’s draft. It would be good improvement. So over.

One more thought. Past burks we didn’t really add anyone good for a free agent. That’s going to be telling on our record.

To me the idea that an evaluation after 20-30 games will determine how to play out the rest of the season makes sense. If the team starts out trying to win, hopefully without sacrificing a lot playing time for the young guys in order to lean on vets just to get a win, and their record is something like 8-12 or 12-18 after 20 or 30 games respectively, then I'd expect focus on this being another development/"tank" season. The kids get the big minutes and the vets are used as needed. And I agree that while the current collection of vets has the ability to provide something, they're not adding a bunch of wins if they're leaned on.

I personally don't worry about where they end up. Draft position after this season is by no means a make or break thing in the big picture. Barely making/missing the playoffs every year is where no organization wants to be on a consistent basis after all the moves have been made and what you've got is what you've got. Being there for a single season IMO should be an expected step in the development process from zero to championship. I don't know if a team has gone 20-something wins, 20-something wins, maybe 30 wins, Finals/championship in four seasons before barring extreme circumstances like injuries to star players who came back and the team sucked while they were out, and I'm not going to look it up (the Spurs getting Duncan after Robinson was out for a season comes to mind). But my recollection as a fan is that there's generally a couple/few years of going further and further each year after making playoffs before winning a championship. That's just team development that continues even after the core has been solidified.

Spider156 wrote:I think we’ll try to go for the Play In which means 10th seed but we won’t make it and most likely be 12th seed where no organization wants to be. The league sort of forces you to be there because post all star teams are either trying to win or lose on purpose like we have for the past few years. The next thing to winning the championship is winning the lottery and we got our golden boy. I’m gonna say that we get around 30 wins and hope for a King’s lottery night luck for next year’s draft. It would be good improvement. So over.

One more thought. Past burks we didn’t really add anyone good for a free agent. That’s going to be telling on our record.

I disagree with one thing;

Noel was damn good the year before last for the Knicks. He was an excellent rim defender, and one of the main reasons they got to the playoffs. Now if he can come in, and play that sort of defense on occasion, it'll help.

As for the 30 wins(30-33) I'll be perfectly happy with that, if the team isn't getting destructed on a nightly basis, just showing their youth.

The one thing I think people aren't realizing just yet,
is that the whole league improved, so even if the team wins 35 games this year, they could still end up with the 4th worst record. Parity is the highest I've seen in a long damn time, even ever, for at least me anyway.(35+ years watching)

That's the ultimate season for me. Play great, narrowly miss the play-in, and still land a top 5 pick.