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New York would've moved out Evan Fournier and a first-round pick to a third team to spare Utah taking on Fournier's remaining $37 million, sources said.

Given all the dealing Detroit and Knicks did and especially given Kemba Walker wasn't bought out yet I think this could be the case. Knicks hold that heavily protected Piston FRP that originally went to Houston.

It would have burned 18M in next off-season's cap space though. Basically buying a FRP for 18M

Totally possible, and I'd have probably been into it- I don't think cap space this offseason is going to be super-helpful to us- I think this would have been a pretty good opportunity for using it.

I guess we'll never really know though.

My goodness I knew that Fournier contract was bad the moment it was signed.

Kilo wrote:It would have burned 18M in next off-season's cap space though.

18.9 and he would take someone else's development minutes (Isaiah Livers probably).

vege wrote:

Kilo wrote:It would have burned 18M in next off-season's cap space though.

18.9 and he would take someone else's development minutes (Isaiah Livers probably).

I would agree that it was quite possibly us. Utah would have taken on Kemba's contract as well as possibly Olynyk, and we'd have taken on Fournier and likely just got our first round draft pick back.

One benefit of Fournier is that he's French and if we're going to continue the Hayes experiment he would have likely been a decent player to bring in.

I guess if we would’ve swapped out Olynyk and Burks or Burks, Walker, and Lee for him and a first +. Maybe it wouldn’t have been awful.

But I’m legitimately glad this didn’t work out. Even with his lack of defensive skills, he really should be a highly coveted player to trade for…instead it’s more crazy that the Knicks made that offer to him.

I’d rather him then Duncan Robinson, but that’s not a compliment by any means.

Not that its going to happen, but someone like Sexton would likely be an ideal pairing for Killian... and we know Utah is in rebuild mode and tank mode so playing guy like Killian big minutes each night could be just what that team wants. Sexton is a small SG, who is a great scorer but not someone who creates for teammates or someone who defends well. Hayes is pretty much the exact opposite of that and could guard the bigger and better guard on defense.

Hayes + Kemba for Jordan Clarkston might make some sense for both teams.... Kemba then gets bought out to sign wherever he wants to sign. Clarkston is coming off a down season and the worst 3 point shooting year of his career, but he's been a bonafide bench scorer for Utah for a few years.

I doubt it. I'd say San Antonio was probably that team.

bstein14 wrote:Not that its going to happen, but someone like Sexton would likely be an ideal pairing for Killian... and we know Utah is in rebuild mode and tank mode so playing guy like Killian big minutes each night could be just what that team wants. Sexton is a small SG, who is a great scorer but not someone who creates for teammates or someone who defends well. Hayes is pretty much the exact opposite of that and could guard the bigger and better guard on defense.

Hayes + Kemba for Jordan Clarkston might make some sense for both teams.... Kemba then gets bought out to sign wherever he wants to sign. Clarkston is coming off a down season and the worst 3 point shooting year of his career, but he's been a bonafide bench scorer for Utah for a few years.

Wouldn't that make Hayes a good compliment to Ivey?

And in 3 guard line ups doesn't Hayes compliment Cade & Ivey?

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Pharaoh wrote:

bstein14 wrote:Not that its going to happen, but someone like Sexton would likely be an ideal pairing for Killian... and we know Utah is in rebuild mode and tank mode so playing guy like Killian big minutes each night could be just what that team wants. Sexton is a small SG, who is a great scorer but not someone who creates for teammates or someone who defends well. Hayes is pretty much the exact opposite of that and could guard the bigger and better guard on defense.

Hayes + Kemba for Jordan Clarkston might make some sense for both teams.... Kemba then gets bought out to sign wherever he wants to sign. Clarkston is coming off a down season and the worst 3 point shooting year of his career, but he's been a bonafide bench scorer for Utah for a few years.

Wouldn't that make Hayes a good compliment to Ivey?

And in 3 guard line ups doesn't Hayes compliment Cade & Ivey?

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C'mon man, we've gone over this. Hayes is the devil.

Jordan Clarkston;

30 years old.

I mean, what?

Pharaoh wrote:

bstein14 wrote:Not that its going to happen, but someone like Sexton would likely be an ideal pairing for Killian... and we know Utah is in rebuild mode and tank mode so playing guy like Killian big minutes each night could be just what that team wants. Sexton is a small SG, who is a great scorer but not someone who creates for teammates or someone who defends well. Hayes is pretty much the exact opposite of that and could guard the bigger and better guard on defense.

Hayes + Kemba for Jordan Clarkston might make some sense for both teams.... Kemba then gets bought out to sign wherever he wants to sign. Clarkston is coming off a down season and the worst 3 point shooting year of his career, but he's been a bonafide bench scorer for Utah for a few years.

Wouldn't that make Hayes a good compliment to Ivey?

And in 3 guard line ups doesn't Hayes compliment Cade & Ivey?

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I'm hopeful that Ivey is much better with the ball in his hands creating for teammates than Sexton is. We'll have to wait and see.

zeebneeb wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:

bstein14 wrote:Not that its going to happen, but someone like Sexton would likely be an ideal pairing for Killian... and we know Utah is in rebuild mode and tank mode so playing guy like Killian big minutes each night could be just what that team wants. Sexton is a small SG, who is a great scorer but not someone who creates for teammates or someone who defends well. Hayes is pretty much the exact opposite of that and could guard the bigger and better guard on defense.

Hayes + Kemba for Jordan Clarkston might make some sense for both teams.... Kemba then gets bought out to sign wherever he wants to sign. Clarkston is coming off a down season and the worst 3 point shooting year of his career, but he's been a bonafide bench scorer for Utah for a few years.

Wouldn't that make Hayes a good compliment to Ivey?

And in 3 guard line ups doesn't Hayes compliment Cade & Ivey?

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C'mon man, we've gone over this. Hayes is the devil.

Jordan Clarkston;

30 years old.

I mean, what?

Think it's obvious that certain people are done with Hayes but it boggles my mind why.

Dude has court vision and is a quality defender. Ain't nothing wrong with him playing alongside guys like Cade & Ivey as the secondary handler since on the other end of the floor he can take the tougher assignment to lighten their load.

The way Casey is though I wouldn't be surprised to see Burks start at the 2. We have a real logjam in the backcourt unless you believe guys like Burks, Diallo and Cade are all gonna get minutes at the 3 and Bey's gonna get minutes at the 4.

We really need a 3/4 kinda guy in the Crowder/RoCo mold but maybe Livers is that?

Bags - Noel - Duren
Stewart - KO
Bey - Livers
Burks - Ivey
Cade - Hayes - CoJo

Diallo the odd man out and we all know how that will go down.

Long term:

Duren 24 - Bags 24
Stewart 32 - Livers 16
Bey 32 - Livers 10 - Cade 6
Ivey 32 - Some Sniper 16
Cade 26 - Hayes 22

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I know the title was meant to spell "mystery" but I read it as "misery".

Uncle Mxy wrote:I know the title was meant to spell "mystery" but I read it as "misery".

I mean it says Mysery

I like misery. "I'm your #1 fan!"

Kilo wrote:

New York would've moved out Evan Fournier and a first-round pick to a third team to spare Utah taking on Fournier's remaining $37 million, sources said.

Given all the dealing Detroit and Knicks did and especially given Kemba Walker wasn't bought out yet I think this could be the case. Knicks hold that heavily protected Piston FRP that originally went to Houston.

It would have burned 18M in next off-season's cap space though. Basically buying a FRP for 18M

Would the Lakers then bite on something like Olynyk, Fournier, Burks, and Noel for Westbrook (who would of course be sent home).

Laimbeer wrote:

Kilo wrote:

New York would've moved out Evan Fournier and a first-round pick to a third team to spare Utah taking on Fournier's remaining $37 million, sources said.

Given all the dealing Detroit and Knicks did and especially given Kemba Walker wasn't bought out yet I think this could be the case. Knicks hold that heavily protected Piston FRP that originally went to Houston.

It would have burned 18M in next off-season's cap space though. Basically buying a FRP for 18M

Would the Lakers then bite on something like Olynyk, Fournier, Burks, and Noel for Westbrook (who would of course be sent home).

It seems like the Lakers want to keep cap flexibility for next season. Perhaps they feel like Kyrie is coming, or another FA that wants to play with LeBron and AD. Maybe even Draymond since he's a Klutch kid.