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After being the worst or 2nd worst at scoring the ball in the basket his first two seasons, this was supposed to be a step forward year for Killian's offense. He looked a bit more comfortable and confidant in some of his preseason play. That said, he's had a horrible start to the season offensively. Should we keep bringing him in as we have since this is still a building season and we've already picked up his contract for next year or is it time to pull him from the rotation to give ourselves a better chance to stay in games.

Careful Manocad thinks he's a star and should of never even of had to go to the bench

I wouldn’t bench him completely. But it will probably end up cutting down his already dwindling mins. Not looking good for Killian so early in the season.

But yeah hes garbage, when you cant pass the eye test or the number test its a problem

Yep 4 games in and im done with him.

He can only play on teams with Irving's and Durants that can hide his weakness. But then again probably not because they need the ball in their hands.

Time to Sekou this guy.

You could literally still probably find a FA after the season already started who's better then Killian at this point so that tells you all you need to know.

yeah... 2.3 PPG on 17.8 TS% through 4 games is not exactly a beacon of hope from a player who's been just about the least efficient offensive player in the league their first two seasons.

my thoughts on hayes are well documented at this point but quite honestly for him as a player and a person, i think a fresh start with a new team might be best for him. who would want to take him on is a completely different subject, but we wanted bagley when nobody else in the league did so you never know?

MotownMadness wrote:Careful Manocad thinks he's a star and should of never even of had to go to the bench

Not even close. All I ever argued was that giving up on him before his third season after he had played a total of 92 games in his first two seasons was premature.

I'm not the one who suggested Cade looks like a bust because he's not playing like an All Star in the first four games of his second season.

Manocad wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:Careful Manocad thinks he's a star and should of never even of had to go to the bench

Not even close. All I ever argued was that giving up on him before his third season after he had played a total of 92 games in his first two seasons was premature.

I'm not the one who suggested Cade looks like a bust because he's not playing like an All Star in the first four games of his second season.

I said Cade looks like a bust for a number 1 pick. You legit argued when i suggested Hayes needed to be benched last year. And then found a way to turn that around like you're the smartest guy in the room.

And now you'll find a way to even twist this around like you weren't arguing to start guys like Hayes or Garza.

Send him back to France.

MotownMadness wrote:

Manocad wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:Careful Manocad thinks he's a star and should of never even of had to go to the bench

Not even close. All I ever argued was that giving up on him before his third season after he had played a total of 92 games in his first two seasons was premature.

I'm not the one who suggested Cade looks like a bust because he's not playing like an All Star in the first four games of his second season.

I said Cade looks like a bust for a number 1 pick. You legit argued when i suggested Hayes needed to be benched last year. And then found a way to turn that around like you're the smartest guy in the room.

And now you'll find a way to even twist this around like you weren't arguing to start guys like Hayes or Garza.

Like you're twisting it around that I think Hayes is a star?

Oh, that's right--you're just "venting."

MotownMadness wrote:But yeah hes garbage, when you cant pass the eye test or the number test its a problem

I'm pretty sure he's still a rookie my guy

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Manocad wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:

Manocad wrote:Not even close. All I ever argued was that giving up on him before his third season after he had played a total of 92 games in his first two seasons was premature.

I'm not the one who suggested Cade looks like a bust because he's not playing like an All Star in the first four games of his second season.

I said Cade looks like a bust for a number 1 pick. You legit argued when i suggested Hayes needed to be benched last year. And then found a way to turn that around like you're the smartest guy in the room.

And now you'll find a way to even twist this around like you weren't arguing to start guys like Hayes or Garza.

Like you're twisting it around that I think Hayes is a star?

Oh, that's right--you're just "venting."

Bro, you put us though one of your usual month long whining attacking anyone who disagrees fits last season over this kid.

Don't even try it

I was really high on Hayes coming in but you gotta know when to pull the chord.

MotownMadness wrote:

Manocad wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:I said Cade looks like a bust for a number 1 pick. You legit argued when i suggested Hayes needed to be benched last year. And then found a way to turn that around like you're the smartest guy in the room.

And now you'll find a way to even twist this around like you weren't arguing to start guys like Hayes or Garza.

Like you're twisting it around that I think Hayes is a star?

Oh, that's right--you're just "venting."

Bro, you put us though one of your usual month long whining attacking anyone who disagrees fits last season over this kid.

Don't even try it

I was really high on Hayes coming in but you gotta know when to pull the chord.

And you have to know that when you say a player looks like bust for a #1 pick it's

still

saying

he

looks

like

a

bust.

What's the other option? "He looks like a bust for a #15 pick" when he was picked #1?

I also wholeheartedly agreed that if Killian didn't put up this year he should be gone. You haven't mentioned that though. How odd.

MotownMadness wrote:

Manocad wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:I said Cade looks like a bust for a number 1 pick. You legit argued when i suggested Hayes needed to be benched last year. And then found a way to turn that around like you're the smartest guy in the room.

And now you'll find a way to even twist this around like you weren't arguing to start guys like Hayes or Garza.

Like you're twisting it around that I think Hayes is a star?

Oh, that's right--you're just "venting."

Bro, you put us though one of your usual month long whining attacking anyone who disagrees fits last season over this kid.

Don't even try it

I was really high on Hayes coming in but you gotta know when to pull the chord.

Manocad still thinks Darko just needs more time and a better system... plus he is technically a rookie still since he got injured and broke his hand his rookie year.

bstein14 wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:

Manocad wrote:Like you're twisting it around that I think Hayes is a star?

Oh, that's right--you're just "venting."

Bro, you put us though one of your usual month long whining attacking anyone who disagrees fits last season over this kid.

Don't even try it

I was really high on Hayes coming in but you gotta know when to pull the chord.

Manocad still thinks Darko just needs more time and a better system... plus he is technically a rookie still since he got injured and broke his hand his rookie year.

Garza was his new Darko

bstein14 wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:

Manocad wrote:Like you're twisting it around that I think Hayes is a star?

Oh, that's right--you're just "venting."

Bro, you put us though one of your usual month long whining attacking anyone who disagrees fits last season over this kid.

Don't even try it

I was really high on Hayes coming in but you gotta know when to pull the chord.

Manocad still thinks Darko just needs more time and a better system... plus he is technically a rookie still since he got injured and broke his hand his rookie year.

And you're still butthurt that the Pistons didn't draft Mobley. Borrow some of Motown's Midol. It will help with those cramps.

Manocad wrote:

bstein14 wrote:

MotownMadness wrote: Bro, you put us though one of your usual month long whining attacking anyone who disagrees fits last season over this kid.

Don't even try it

I was really high on Hayes coming in but you gotta know when to pull the chord.

Manocad still thinks Darko just needs more time and a better system... plus he is technically a rookie still since he got injured and broke his hand his rookie year.

And you're still butthurt that the Pistons didn't draft Mobley. Borrow some of Motown's Midol. It will help with those cramps.

I was fine with Cade. I wanted Haliburton over Hayes called him "Andre Miller with a 3 point shot" before the draft and Haliburton is looking like a star and Hayes looks like he doesn't belong... but no one gets them all right. At some point just need to cut your losses and try to develop other guys. Right now I'd have all our ball handling done by Cade and Ivey having them split time to develop those guys I hate wasting possessions on still trying to polish that turd that is Killian Hayes.

Manocad wrote:

bstein14 wrote:

MotownMadness wrote: Bro, you put us though one of your usual month long whining attacking anyone who disagrees fits last season over this kid.

Don't even try it

I was really high on Hayes coming in but you gotta know when to pull the chord.

Manocad still thinks Darko just needs more time and a better system... plus he is technically a rookie still since he got injured and broke his hand his rookie year.

And you're still butthurt that the Pistons didn't draft Mobley. Borrow some of Motown's Midol. It will help with those cramps.

It's hilarious cause he doesn't even know he's the one that bitches non stop about the silliest arguments while letting nothing go for years.

Suffering from a condition and being the only guy in the room who doesn't know it, kinda sad but funny cause its the internet.