SGA potentially gettable

buzzkilloton · Post #1 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:45 am

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269325/Rival-Execs-Hear-Shai-Gilgeous-Alexander-Frustrated-With-The-Losing

Were starting to here the rumors pop up. Their was a time a player like SGA actually being traded would be hard to believe. In the past years we have learned any player can be moved at any time. Enter young SGA.

30+ 5reb 5ast 63% TS a true star under contract until 2027.

We have the connections. We have the ammo. We should have the interest. Only problem the cost will be high.

Would you be willing to offer up Cade or Ivey+pick to get it done? I dont think picks+Duren+salary without Ivey+Cade gets it done but obv you make that deal every time.

Post #2 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:00 am

He's tired of losing, so I'm sure a trade to one of the few teams worse than his would smooth that right over.

bstein14 · Post #3 » by **bstein14** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:05 am

If we were going to trade for him, it would have been draft day 2021 with OKC getting the #1 pick and us getting SGA and whatever other picks we could land in that deal. We are not the type of team to make an all-in push for an all-star like SGA at this point. Most likely a Toronto type of team would make that kind of move.

Very possible we could try to be a third team in a deal since we have decent sized expiring contracts.... but pretty much zero chance of an SGA move at this point.

buzzkilloton · Post #4 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:07 am

Snakebites wrote:He's tired of losing, so I'm sure a trade to one of the few teams worse than his would smooth that right over.

If we add him to our roster we will be a playin team in the East.

Talking about adding a dominating two way player 6'6 7ft wingspan putting up 30 5 5 on 62% TS

buzzkilloton · Post #5 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:08 am

bstein14 wrote:If we were going to trade for him, it would have been draft day 2021 with OKC getting the #1 pick and us getting SGA and whatever other picks we could land in that deal. We are not the type of team to make an all-in push for an all-star like SGA at this point. Most likely a Toronto type of team would make that kind of move.

Very possible we could try to be a third team in a deal since we have decent sized expiring contracts.... but pretty much zero chance of an SGA move at this point.

SGA wasnt demanding a trade at that time. Now he is potentially demanding a trade.We already know Presti was considering moving him before.

See I dont consider SGA a move that has to be a for a win now team. Hes just turned 24 and hes under contract through 2027. Thats a guy that fits right into our core and we can build with while winning on the way up. I would expect we make the playin this season then go into next season with cap space and run it up with a team led by SGA and Cade/Ivey. SGA is looking like a guy whos going to make many ALL NBA teams rare to get this kinda talent at that age.

Pharaoh · Post #6 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:02 am

Wasn't it rumoured on Draft Day Presti wanted Cade in the deal for SGA?

We may not have been ready then and tbh I doubt we're ready now but SGA would definitely put us on the next level.

I just don't see a trade where Weaver & Presti walk away happy

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buzzkilloton · Post #7 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:38 am

Pharaoh wrote:Wasn't it rumoured on Draft Day Presti wanted Cade in the deal for SGA?

We may not have been ready then and tbh I doubt we're ready now but SGA would definitely put us on the next level.

I just don't see a trade where Weaver & Presti walk away happy

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There was a rumored trade of SGA and the Thunders pick for pick 1. I was actually against the trade at the time. That said seeing the player SGA has become I was off on that.

To me if you can get this sort of guaranteed player under contract through 2027 you back up the truck. Obv its more of a hypothetical trade that is very low % to happen. That said if Presti does want to keep up his tanking ways we have the young player and picks hes looking for.

ComboGuardCity · Post #8 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:45 am

If he can be had for our unprotected 1 and filler I’d take it. I’d be intrigued by a 3 guard lineup with 2 towers.

Defensively:

Ivey
Shai
Cade
Stewart
Duren

topsearch92 · Post #9 » by **topsearch92** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:32 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:If he can be had for our unprotected 1 and filler I’d take it. I’d be intrigued by a 3 guard lineup with 2 towers.

Defensively:

Ivey
Shai
Cade
Stewart
Duren

You’d give up your lottery ticket for a possible Vic/Scoot addition?

mattao313 · Post #10 » by **mattao313** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:05 am

Why would we trade for any star yet if we don't have at least one of our own home grown stars? It seems to soon.

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buzzkilloton · Post #11 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:34 am

mattao313 wrote:Why would we trade for any star yet if we don't have at least one of our own home grown stars? It seems to soon.

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The tank is over at the end of the season. We are going to have this core of guys and one more pick that falls somewhere in the top 10. Then we have cap space coming up to fill the rest. Time is ticking on the stacking high draft picks.

As you just said "we have no stars" SGA would be securing that star. Its not often that a talented 24 year old still ascending player hits the market and is under contract this long. I'd rather lock in the sure thing 6'6 7ftwingspan 30 5 5 2stl 1.5blk high efficiency player at 24 that looks like a potential multi time ALL NBA guy now then play the "what if he hits his ceiling game" on what we have.

buzzkilloton · Post #12 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:35 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:If he can be had for our unprotected 1 and filler I’d take it. I’d be intrigued by a 3 guard lineup with 2 towers.

Defensively:

Ivey
Shai
Cade
Stewart
Duren

Yeah thats a automatic even unprotected. I'd expect it takes more though. Looking at the market last season for all star players guys like Gobert,D.Mitch,and D.Murray they went for pretty big packages. SGA is worth more then any of those guys because of his age,production, and being locked up so long.

Post #13 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:56 am

Of course he would be great to have on our roster, but not giving up Cade, Ivey or Duren. If we could send out a future first? Now we're talking.

ComboGuardCity · Post #14 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:20 am

topsearch92 wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:If he can be had for our unprotected 1 and filler I’d take it. I’d be intrigued by a 3 guard lineup with 2 towers.

Defensively:

Ivey
Shai
Cade
Stewart
Duren

You’d give up your lottery ticket for a possible Vic/Scoot addition?

It’s a 27% chance max we get either of those guys. On top of that, there is a chance neither is an all star. SGA is 100% an all NBA talent. I’ll take those odds instead

buzzkilloton · Post #15 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:24 am

To me trading for SGA would be akin to when the Rockets traded for Harden from Presti. This productive of a ascending player at 24 years old with all NBA talent under contract would be a huge pick up.

mattao313 · Post #16 » by **mattao313** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:25 am

buzzkilloton wrote:
mattao313 wrote:Why would we trade for any star yet if we don't have at least one of our own home grown stars? It seems to soon.

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The tank is over at the end of the season. We are going to have this core of guys and one more pick that falls somewhere in the top 10. Then we have cap space coming up to fill the rest. Time is ticking on the stacking high draft picks.

As you just said "we have no stars" SGA would be securing that star. Its not often that a talented 24 year old still ascending player hits the market and is under contract this long. I'd rather lock in the sure thing 6'6 7ftwingspan 30 5 5 2stl 1.5blk high efficiency player at 24 that looks like a potential multi time ALL NBA guy now then play the "what if he hits his ceiling game" on what we have.

Understand that I'm saying for building what? A treadmill team you need at least 2 Allstars to be a title contender. I'm not trading the future to be OKC in detroit without the picks.

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buzzkilloton · Post #17 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:31 am

mattao313 wrote:
buzzkilloton wrote:
mattao313 wrote:Why would we trade for any star yet if we don't have at least one of our own home grown stars? It seems to soon.

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The tank is over at the end of the season. We are going to have this core of guys and one more pick that falls somewhere in the top 10. Then we have cap space coming up to fill the rest. Time is ticking on the stacking high draft picks.

As you just said "we have no stars" SGA would be securing that star. Its not often that a talented 24 year old still ascending player hits the market and is under contract this long. I'd rather lock in the sure thing 6'6 7ftwingspan 30 5 5 2stl 1.5blk high efficiency player at 24 that looks like a potential multi time ALL NBA guy now then play the "what if he hits his ceiling game" on what we have.
Understand that I'm saying for building what? A treadmill team you need at least 2 Allstars to be a title contender. I'm not trading the future to be OKC in detroit without the picks.

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I dont see it as going to be a treadmill team. As I mentioned above I see it as when the Rockets went after Harden from Presti. You build around SGA and Cade or Ivey and become a contender.

buzzkilloton · Post #18 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:52 am

This guy runs some computer simulations on SGAs career numbers comparing them to other modern guards. The computer took his career numbers and it projects him as a Curry,Harden,or Irving type production player over his career. Hes not saying same type of game just production wise what this sort of player is going to be.

Watch on YouTube

pistonsbball · Post #19 » by **pistonsbball** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:27 am

His market value is gonna be pretty damn high, and someone is probably going to pay a fair bit over that for him.

Miami would be a good spot, no idea what they have left asset-wise tho.

Kilo · Post #20 » by **Kilo** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:33 pm

What would OKC want? They have all the FRP's they need. I'd guess Detroit's package would have to include Ivey, Bey and one of Stew or Duren. I don't think Detroit can make that trade now. This past draft we could have traded Bey, #5 OA and Duren pick for Shai though I believe.

I don't believe SGA is asking out. He's one more bad year, before another top 5 pick and Chet back.