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Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 3:45 pm
by Laimbeer
...With Cade Cunningham out for an extended period of time, possibly even the rest of the season, Ivey will receive ample opportunity to run the show for the Pistons. That’ll lead to a lot of losing since he’s still figuring out how to change pace, and his shot selection has generally been quite frustrating. He’s settling for early-clock jumpers way too often.
It’s probably advantageous for the Pistons to empower Ivey to jack up these bricks since their priority is player development and losing games. But it’d be nice to see him build better habits by being more choosy about the times he does unleash his jumper, and the times he instead attacks the basket. Right now, interior finishing is what Ivey does best. We’ve seen him finish a variety of finesse and power moves around the rim and he’s also shown the ability to dish to teammates...
...Duren is the NBA’s youngest active player, and his game is undoubtedly raw. But raw doesn’t mean unproductive. He’s already arguably the best big on the Pistons. Duren holds his own in over 20 minutes per game, showing off the type of shot-blocking, above-the-rim finishing, and rebounding that the Pistons were expecting when they selected him in the lottery. It should be only a matter of time before Pistons head coach Dwane Casey gives him a heavier workload. Plus, he’s also flashing some of the passing upside he showed as a college freshman, operating out of the post and the short roll.
At only 19 years old, Duren has a long way to go. He’s still working on the intricacies of screening at proper angles. He still needs to improve as a free throw shooter. He’s not anchoring a top defense yet. But the signs are there that he’ll someday be a major two-way presence in Detroit...
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/11/30/23485846/nba-draft-2022-redraft
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 4:02 pm
by Kalamazoo317
Objective rankings could change on a week-to-week basis at this point. What's clear so far is that both continue to have potential to be productive longterm rotational players for us, which is great.
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 4:51 pm
by Manocad
Kalamazoo317 wrote:Objective rankings could change on a week-to-week basis at this point. What's clear so far is that both continue to have potential to be productive longterm rotational players for us, which is great.
Exactly why stuff like this is kinda dumb to me. What's done is done, so is doing the redrafting thing all that interesting? Kinda like "Let me tell you the story of how my life would have gone had I known then what I know now." Sure...yawn.
Although I'm sure there are some people here who will use it evidence of how Weaver isn't good at drafting.
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 5:49 pm
by Drwho17
Only guys in a redraft that you would take over Ivey would be Banchero/Mathurin based on their play this year.
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 5:57 pm
by Billl
Yeah, read that and thought it was insanely dumb. If you are basing it off on NBA production, it's Banchero, Mathurin, ivey and Chet wouldn't even make the list. If you are basing it off of how the guy might develop a couple years from now, then it's just as subjective as it was a couple months ago.
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 6:27 pm
by vege
The explanation is solid imo, all that is written there is true for both Ivey and Duren. I don't know if I agree with the ranking tho.
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 6:46 pm
by Invictus88
vege wrote:The explanation is solid imo, all that is written there is true for both Ivey and Duren. I don't know if I agree with the ranking tho.
I agree and disagree.
I think that Ivey needs to add more to his toolset in terms of being craftier in his drives to the basket. Too often he drives along the side hoping he will get by his opponent and in the times when he doesn't he gets caught in awkward situations and flails to the ground.
He's already shown that he can be versatile so it's just a matter of time / opportunity to add in variations / footwork / ball handling; so I would hope this offseason he does that.
I totally agree on shot selection which needs to and will improve over time. He has free reign right now due to all of the injuries. I would hope as folks get back that Casey starts pulling him out at times where he exhibits behaviors like that as teaching moments.
I think the writeup doesn't put enough value on unteachable attributes such as Ivey's innate speed. That's simply something that other guys will never have. That's where my disagreement lies.
I love Mathurin's attacking attitude that he's shown against the Pistons at least. I assume it is the same against all clubs?
I still think that a redraft would go Banchero, Holmgren, Ivey at this point. The ordering of the top two wasn't certain before. Now it is (I don't think Holmgren would be nearly as impactful as Banchero is in year 1).
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 9:04 pm
by NYPiston
Honestly, who cares? It's like 20 games into each of their careers.
IMO, no re-draft should be done until at least 3 years after the draft. Doing it 20 games in is pointless.
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 10:03 pm
by MotownMadness
I dont agree with that list but if it were true then were not getting very far tanking like crazy.
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Thu Dec 1, 2022 11:23 pm
by DBC10
NYPiston wrote:Honestly, who cares? It's like 20 games into each of their careers.
IMO, no re-draft should be done until at least 3 years after the draft. Doing it 20 games in is pointless.
I mean the article's entire foundation is based on the "way too early" part as it is succinctly titled. Based on early returns, it looks like the top performers are Banchero, Mathurin, Ivey, and insert whoever
Jabari Smith is just not performing much at all same with Keegan Murray
Re: Way-Too-Early 2022 NBA Redraft: Ivey #8, Duren #11
Posted: Fri Dec 2, 2022 12:24 am
by buzzkilloton
I didnt think the list was that bad. I would of lowered Keegan and had Ivey and Duren up a few spots. Lists like this are opinions media have their owns as do we.