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I know KoC stinks. That said this pod he talks alot about us so worth a listen. Always like hearing what the national media says about our guys.

I actually do agree Giddey has been awesome. I've stated he could be the best player in this draft. Over the past 2 months hes been shooting 39% from 3pt and 90% from the line. Hes in that oversized ball handler role like Cade but statiscally has been better.

Now not saying I would takr Giddey over Cade even if I say he could be the best player in the draft. I think Cade can come back next season and make a huge jump. Cade is a better athlete and longer then Giddey even if Giddey is taller. That said if Giddey keeps doing what hes doing he may even surpass Mobley.

One thing that is annoying about it is Weaver was offered pick 6 which was Giddey + SGA for the Cade pick. If Cade ends up worse then Giddey Weaver really pooped the bed on that. To make it even more annoying RealGM general board actually said we would of won the trade with a poll and I voted Cade was the guy to take. Think it was like a +20% in the poll in gen chat we would of won the trade getting SGA+6.



KoCs top 6 in a redraft

1.Mobley
2.Giddey
3.Cade
4.Wagner
5.Barnes
6.Green




https://www.theringer.com/2023/1/25/23570703/the-2021-nba-re-draft-analyzing-everyone-from-mobley-and-giddey-to-grimes-and-sengun

If Cade was playing this season he’d be going to the All Star game. It’s not a question who the best player of the draft is, everyone knows it. Cade never got the chance to make the jump because he’s been injured and neither would Giddey have made the jump if he was injured too.

Gotta remember hes the age of many of this classes rookies. For example 8 months younger then Ivey. Goes to show how awesome that class was. Guys like Giddey and Franz outside the top picks is wild.

Giddeys past 60 day stats that have many hype:

26 games-17ppg 8.5reb 5.8apg 2.7tov 37% 3pt 49.7% fg 89.7% FT

Giddey has been impressive, no doubt. But he doesn't have the "it" factor and the ability to take over games and make the big shots down the stretch like we saw Cade do quite a few times last season. That's what you want from a #1 pick.

I hate seeing any 2021 re-drafts at the moment as Cade is always going to be clearly disadvantaged given he has sat most of this season. On the other hand it will be nice to dredge up some of these re-draft threads in a couple of years though when Cade has pushed himself to a tier beyond the others.

Mr Peanut wrote:Giddey has been impressive, no doubt. But he doesn't have the "it" factor and the ability to take over games and make the big shots down the stretch like we saw Cade do quite a few times last season. That's what you want from a #1 pick.

I hate seeing any 2021 re-drafts at the moment as Cade is always going to be clearly disadvantaged given he has sat most of this season. On the other hand it will be nice to dredge up some of these re-draft threads in a couple of years though when Cade has pushed himself to a tier beyond the others.

Good to document the hot takes so their ez to find!

Another way to look at it is Cade holding 3 in such a strong class while hurt is pretty good.

Spider156 wrote:If Cade was playing this season he’d be going to the All Star game.

No, probably not. Before Cade went out for the season, he was 20/6/6 on a team that went 3-9. I'm not convinced we would've won enough or he'd have put good enough numbers. Would he bump Halliburton, Brunson, Trae Young? Or, do you treat him as a wing and the competition is even stiffer?

Uncle Mxy wrote:

Spider156 wrote:If Cade was playing this season he’d be going to the All Star game.

No, probably not. Before Cade went out for the season, he was 20/6/6 on a team that went 3-9. I'm not convinced we would've won enough or he'd have put good enough numbers. Would he bump Halliburton, Brunson, Trae Young? Or, do you treat him as a wing and the competition is even stiffer?

Yeah its really tough. East just added D.Mitch,Hali,and Brunson. Still have guys like Butler,Brown,Young who’re big number guys. Cade would of had to of put up some really big numbers 20 6 and 6 not going to do it in the no defense era on a bad team.

Hell even Harden at like 22 11 6 may not make it. Kyrie has some massive numbers as well hes gonna start.

If healthy, I still think Cade will be the best player from that draft, although there's a handful of players who could all be great.

Cade needs to play. I'm not surprised that some pundits are dropping him in a re-draft considering that he's lost a key development year to injury and others are stepping up.

I still think he'll be the best player in that draft when all is said and done but right now there's a cloud of uncertainty surrounding him and a lot of it is due to injury, two in 2 years now.

Cade has put up good numbers, but he still really needs to cut down on TOs and improve his scoring efficiency... as well as work to become at least a league average defender.

Westbrook put up great numbers for years but he was never really efficient and he always was really high in the TO department as well. Let's hope Cade pushes to increase efficiency and play more of a winning style of basketball rather than just stuffing a stat sheet.

I thought he was a good defender his rookie year. But, I was paying attention to the offense with the rookies, and the rookies in general... Very good hands, very great at anticipating. Grant Hill said last year that Cade was better him at everything, except athleticism.

I guess I'm losing my mind but I don't understand why I see people dogging Cade everywhere. He was pretty damn good last year, and we know now that he hasn't been healthy since he's been in the league. I'm certainly happy to have him on the Pistons.

the thunder being a respectable team (which is impressive given the age of the roster) no doubt gets giddey more hype. SGA is playing at an all-nba level and he's clearly the main reason for their success. cade is the only player in the draft class who has shown the kind of team-leading ability like SGA.

i really like giddey but from everything he's shown he's more of a "star in their role" type of player than an actual star.

bstein14 wrote:Cade has put up good numbers, but he still really needs to cut down on TOs and improve his scoring efficiency... as well as work to become at least a league average defender.

Westbrook put up great numbers for years but he was never really efficient and he always was really high in the TO department as well. Let's hope Cade pushes to increase efficiency and play more of a winning style of basketball rather than just stuffing a stat sheet.

cade doesn't turn the ball over more than players like doncic, giannis, lebron, etc. and those guys are seasoned vets. he definitely needs to improve his scoring efficiency but his process is very much playing winning basketball (especially for a player so young) rather than just stat padding. and he's a really good defender, i just think he needs to improve his stamina to handle the huge offensive load he has and also play intense defense all game. he's a smart and great communicator on defense and shown he can lock up pretty much anyone in isolation when he's dialed in.

I'm still taking Cade 100%. Everyone knows he is best player from that draft and the only reason there is even a convo on it is because he is hurt.

jaredtyshaf wrote:I'm still taking Cade 100%. Everyone knows he is best player from that draft and the only reason there is even a convo on it is because he is hurt.

it was just a dumb all star event but even seeing cade on the same floor with all the other rookies and sophomores you could tell he stood out. the same eye test showed dyson daniels stood out from the g league guys because he fit in instead of looking lost most of the time.

"what have you done for me recently" or "out of sight, out of mind" definitely play a big factor into people's opinions of athletes.

And this is how you get clicks and mentions for your podcast folks....

Giddey is killing it but they could offer him to me for Cade and my answer is no.

Cade has a special IQ and 3 level scoring that I pray he unlocks to his full potential.

If cade raises his efficiency, he'll be a dangerous player not a #1 guy but a good player. Gotta get that ts% in the high 50s tho.

I think giddey is getting a little overrated Wagner is better than him and giddey ain't the type that'll be able to take over a tight game in crunch time imo.

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Im 100% staying on the MotorCade.

That said, Im not cool with making excuses for athletes that are injured. Being prepared mentally and physically is part of greatness, if Cade is to become a great he needs to be on the court playing, not in a cast 2 months every season.

If he cant be healthy he will never be a star, no excuses.

They both suck at getting to the line. I can see their point I guess, but Cade can handle more responsibility as soon as next year imo. We'll see the truth in the long run.