Weaver interview this morning

[flow]

https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/podcasts/stoney-and-jansen-with-heather-114/stoney-jansen-with-heathe-troy-weaver-1554575825

* It was about the talent, not the position. That said, you need bigs to compete in the East.

* Likened the trade to Jermaine O'Neal going to Indiana. (he didn't get much pt in portland)

* Bojan and Burks have been terrific.

* "We have to be great defensively." "We'll get that fixed."

* Bojan/Burks were kept to play on the floor next season, not to be traded in the offseason.

[vege]

So he intend to fix our defense by waiving Noel and bringing Wiseman in? Great start.

Weaver destroyed our franchise. We will be worse than Phoenix and Sacramento were. Houston is in a great position compared to us.

[bstein14]

I will reserve judgement until we see how this summer goes, but if Burks Bojan and Wiseman are all part of the rotation next year there isn’t much room for anyone else.

Cade
Ivey
Duren
stew
Livers
Bojan
Burks
Lottery pick
2023 free agent
….. which means one of Hayes or Bagley isn’t in the rotation and also means we aren’t bringing back Diallo

[Piston Pete]

https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/podcasts/stoney-and-jansen-with-heather-114/stoney-jansen-with-heathe-troy-weaver-1554575825

* It was about the talent, not the position. That said, you need bigs to compete in the East.

* Likened the trade to Jermaine O'Neal going to Indiana. (he didn't get much pt in portland)

* Bojan and Burks have been terrific.

* "We had to be great defensively." "We'll get that fixed."

* Bojan/Burks were kept to play on the floor next season, not to be traded in the offseason.

This is a TERRIBLE take.

O’Neal showed flashes in Portland. He showed talent. He was just stuck behind good vets and wasn’t getting PT.

Wiseman has been bad. Even in the d-league, he’s been “blah.”

But here’s to hoping the change in scenery does Wiseman some good and turns it around here

[vege]

I will reserve judgement until we see how this summer goes, but if Burks Bojan and Wiseman are all part of the rotation next year there isn’t much room for anyone else.

Cade
Ivey
Duren
stew
Livers
Bojan
Burks
Lottery pick
2023 free agent
….. which means one of Hayes or Bagley isn’t in the rotation and also means we aren’t bringing back Diallo

It's been 3 years of straight up (Please Use More Appropriate Word) moves, and you're still hoping for something?

He donated Wood to Houston. For free. We even made an effort to help them to be able to sign him.

He signed Plumlee, then he paid to dump plumlee and Charlotte paid to dump Plumlee and the contract Weaver gave him this deadline.

After dumping Plumlee he signed Kelly Olynyk, who was terrible, but kudos for him for turning KO's bad contract into Bojan who's a good player.

Then he sold our cap space to acquire Noel (and Burks). He said he likes Noel and he was going to play.

Despite of being an awful defensive team, and lacking size and needing a backup center badly, we are not playing Noel (the guy Weaver said was going to play and was part of his plans for the team).

Noel will hopefully be bought out and continue his NBA career, he is nothing special, but he is a NBA caliber player.

Then he overpaid to acquire James Wiseman, who have been arguably the worst NBA player - and GLeague player FWIW (now that Hayes improved and no longer hold that title, make no mistake, Hayes is still a terrible player)

Wiseman cost us 5 2nd round picks and raw cap space next season.

But let's give him credit where credit is deserved. He fleeced NYK and Charlotte and ended up drafting Jalen Duren, who is a monster.

Jalen Duren have been our only bright spot this season, considering how bad Jaden Iven have been (Ivey have potential and hopefully he will be an all star soon, but he is very bad).

Duren have been great for us (despite of being the youngest player in the league), and then Weaver trade for Wiseman and say Wiseman will start for us. I think a lot of people don't understand. That means Duren have lost his starting spot. A spot he deserves, unlike what we did with other draft picks (Hayes and Ivey for example).

Duren will be relegated to the bench, when he is arguably the best player on the team, considering both sides of the floor, and he have immense potential, a lot more than Wiseman imo (Duren have the phisical tools and he is not dumb).

Do I need to mention Bol Bol? What about Marvin Bagley and his contract, his awful BBIQ, his injuries and his defense that makes him 10x more unplayable than Bey?

[edmunder_prc]

Weaver came in, blew it up and went 0 for 3 on 1st round picks. We still havent paid that 1st round pick to Houston.

I wish he would have addressed that in his interview. I started my job, went big and was awful but hopefully I learned something.

But then went for Bagley and Wiseman.

[NYPiston]

"We had to be great defensively" "Bojan and Burks were kept to play on the floor next season, not to be traded in the offseason". Uh...Huh?

Maybe do less interviews Troy. You're insulting the intelligence of fans with nonsensical statements like that.

He's not wrong that you need bigs to compete in the east as these top teams are loaded with them but that doesn't mean collecting all the big man projects you can and piling them on top of each other while ignoring real needs.

[zeebneeb]

That interview was very telling, not only in what he said, but the pauses, and measured statements.

He knows damn well this is a swing at the fences. Certain Wiseman stats point to him being a very productive player in the right scenario, but man what a gamble.

Weaver knows this, and he knows it well. He obviously saw no future with Bey on this team, and used him to take that swing. Its like someone giving you 15$ to buy a pair of jeans. You can't get much for 15$, so you instead decide to buy a scratch-off, in hopes to buy from somewhere other then goodwill.

[Snakebites]

That interview was very telling, not only in what he said, but the pauses, and measured statements.

He knows damn well this is a swing at the fences. Certain Wiseman stats point to him being a very productive player in the right scenario, but man what a gamble.

Weaver knows this, and he knows it well. He obviously saw no future with Bey on this team, and used him to take that swing. Its like someone giving you 15$ to buy a pair of jeans. You can't get much for 15$, so you instead decide to buy a scratch-off, in hopes to buy from somewhere other then goodwill.

I'd liken Wiseman to some "magic beans" more than a lottery scratch-off

[zeebneeb]

That interview was very telling, not only in what he said, but the pauses, and measured statements.

He knows damn well this is a swing at the fences. Certain Wiseman stats point to him being a very productive player in the right scenario, but man what a gamble.

Weaver knows this, and he knows it well. He obviously saw no future with Bey on this team, and used him to take that swing. Its like someone giving you 15$ to buy a pair of jeans. You can't get much for 15$, so you instead decide to buy a scratch-off, in hopes to buy from somewhere other then goodwill.

I'd liken Wiseman to some "magic beans" more than a lottery scratch-off

Damn it man, im trying to believe.

Statements like yours, are not helping.

[thesack12]

That guy sure doesn't seem well spoken or articulate. If you didn't know who Troy Weaver actually is, listening to that could lead you to believe it was just some random fan calling into a radio show.

Of course none of that really means anything in terms of competence /performance on the job, but listening to him doesn't tend to inspire confidence in him either.

[MortSahlfan]

Thank you so much for posting this interview. I'm surprised he even did this -- seems to avoid interviews. SVG gave an interview every day it seemed, but he didn't do a good job. Weaver seems to get the better of a trade 4/5 times (usually minor trades), but the players don't fit. He rightfully says defense is a MUST - but gets guys who can't play defense. Contradictory. I also used to think he was a fine drafter, but maybe he just got lucky with the #1 pick, because he's had plenty of lottery picks, and .... we don't even have one Tyler Haliburton.

Time is NOT on his side (no it ain't)

[Billl]

Obviously we are taking a flier on wiseman. Nobody really knows how it will turn out even if you have a strong opinion about what you think will happen. The guy obviously is huge and athletic and has some basketball skills, but there are tons of red flags too.

As for him never doing anything, he put up 11.5/5.8 in 21.4 mpg as a rookie. That's 19/10 per 36. He's hardly played at all this season, but his per 36 is the same. Can he scale that up with more minutes and more touches? Who knows, but that's what we are paying to find out. If he can be the 20/10 shotblocker that everyone was hoping for in that draft, that's a franchise changing move. If not, we basically gave up Bey for nothing.

[mattao313]

That guy sure doesn't seem well spoken or articulate. If you didn't know who Troy Weaver actually is, listening to that could lead you to believe it was just some random fan calling into a radio show.

Of course none of that really means anything in terms of competence /performance on the job, but listening to him doesn't tend to inspire confidence in him either.

Yeah it's the opposite for Casey tho he's a great speaker but terrible coach lol

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[NYPiston]

I'd liken Wiseman to some "magic beans" more than a lottery scratch-off

Not even. He's a broken bean that needs to be repaired and we all know how good Casey is at developing young players with confidence issues in his Pistons tenure

[bstein14]

I will reserve judgement until we see how this summer goes, but if Burks Bojan and Wiseman are all part of the rotation next year there isn’t much room for anyone else.

1. Cade
2. Ivey
3. Duren
4. Stew
5. Livers
6. Bojan
7. Burks
8. Wiseman
9. Lottery pick
10. 2023 free agent

….. which is already 10 players without Hayes or Bagley and we're certainly not bringing back Diallo to be a rotation player either.
Weaver did mention to Bojan that we were going to try to compete next year and that we had cap space money to spend on a FA so I can't imagine you tell someone that if you aren't going to go out and get a starting caliber player.

[MotownMadness]

I'm fine with where we're at. Cade is the big bummer for me and hoping he comes back healthy.

Other than that im not seeing all the doom and gloom. We wanted to be the worst team in the league and thats what we're getting.

- good chance at two generational talent's at the top of the draft.
- good young players on the roster with potential
- Possible franchise player already in Cade
-.No immovable contracts or cap hell

Weaver has to build a team now though after we see our draft position. That's yet to be seen and could really mess everything up.

[dezzie_33]

That guy sure doesn't seem well spoken or articulate. If you didn't know who Troy Weaver actually is, listening to that could lead you to believe it was just some random fan calling into a radio show.

Of course none of that really means anything in terms of competence /performance on the job, but listening to him doesn't tend to inspire confidence in him either.

This.

I've always found his interviews a hard watch/listen and never fills me with confidence

[NYPiston]

I'm fine with where we're at. Cade is the big bummer for me and hoping he comes back healthy.

Other than that im not seeing all the doom and gloom. We wanted to be the worst team in the league and thats what we're getting.

- good chance at two generational talent's at the top of the draft.
- good young players on the roster with potential
- Possible franchise player already in Cade
-.No immovable contracts or cap hell

Weaver has to build a team now though after we see our draft position. That's yet to be seen and could really mess everything up.

He's the key to everything. People can complain all they want about this trade or whatnot but it really means very little in the long run.

If Cade doesn't turn out to be what most of us think he can and will be, this will be a failure. It's a superstar league, if you don't have one you don't have a chance. If they win the Wemby/Scott sweepstakes, that gives them a little more room for error but that's a 28% chance. Cade needs to be the goods, bottom line. This is why this season is a write off outside of some young player development, can't evaluate where this rebuild is going without its lynchpin.

[Spider156]

You guys are freaking out over Bey?

Can't pass, can't defend, can't rebound, uncoachable much like Oubre. He's not gonna be an all star with the exception of his 3 pt shot which he's shown he's not as good nor consistent. He's got the work ethic to become really good though. Bey isn't coachable though, he diverted away from what the organization wanted out of him. Like taking that game winning shot away from Bogan was unacceptable even though he made it. Basically he's looking for his shot. Now he's buried behind many forwards in Atlanta.

The trouble of the trade is Wiseman. I can't really say anything about a kid who has barely played. I personally think it speaks louder on Bagley and I believe much like how Weaver got plumlee, olynyk, Jackson, Knox, he will continue to flip potential lottery picks just in case he gets lucky.

In the meantime, Weaver has not given out a big contract, has not traded away a FRP that cost us the lottery. He hasn't traded any one of our core young players.

This tells us he is going for a forward in the draft this year. Wenbenayama is best PF, scoot pushes Cade to SF, miller and thompson twins, it's a lot of forwards basically.

This also could be hinting that Weaver wants to max Grant this summer since Grant is looking for pay day and we got all the cap in the world and we don't have to waste it on a one way player like Bey. Players like Bey grow on trees, see Kennard for example. We need guys like Hunter not Bey.

It's a bad trade, but not that bad. It's a gamble but it's not a big gamble.

Bey got traded for 4-5 second round picks, he wasn't worth a FRP.

Happens. I suspect Noel buy out and Bagley trade or waive and stretch.