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...Ivey is the first -- and only at the time of writing this -- rookie to total at least 700 points, 200 assists and 200 rebounds, which speaks to the balance of his game. Ivey crossed that threshold in 49 games, becoming just the ninth rookie to do it in that amount of games in the last 15 years, per the Pistons.

Though Ivey isn't getting as much Rookie of the Year recognition as Paolo Banchero or Bennedict Mathurin are getting this season, he should still be in the conversation. He's showing gradual improvement each night and has taken on a considerable amount of responsibility this season after Cade Cunningham went down with a season-ending injury. He's got great athleticism and can get to the rim with tremendous ease. What's even more impressive about Ivey's season is he's becoming more efficient as the season goes on.

Although we're only a week and a half into February, this has been Ivey's best chunk of games by far, highlighted by that performance against the Hornets. His 3-point shooting is the most notable because after struggling to connect consistently from deep, Ivey has started this month ridiculously efficient from there. If he keeps this pace up for the month, he'll undoubtedly be named Rookie of the Month and should be given more consideration for the Rookie of the Year award...

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-rankings-jaden-ivey-reaches-impressive-milestone-jalen-williams-spoils-lebrons-record-night/

Boggles my mind there are Pistons fans out there convinced Ivey sucks based on what he's shown thus far. He's a better shooter and passer than I anticipated he'd be as a rookie.

Ivey's upside is huge... much like Duren although I can understand with how young Duren is why there is even more hype on his train. He's been solid for us and he's an insanely gifted athlete. He's got to get better of course, but he's honestly been decent shooting from deep for us at 33.5%. If he can make one out of three as a rookie the hope is he gets to mid 30s by year two and upper 30s by year three and he'll be in a great position.

I'm excited to see him take on a bigger role post all-star break in creating for teammates.

Cade + Duren + Ivey should be three solid starters for us moving forward. Even if Ivey does play off the bench some next year depending on who we draft or who we get in FA, Ivey is very clearly on track to be a long term starter in this league as his floor.

Ivey took a massive step forward when we took the ball outa Hayes hands and turned over the reigns. His comfort level was tangibly improved. It's going to be interesting to see how he and Cade play together.

I've long maintained that Cade is more of a Kobe or Wade type than an actual pg. He's going to have a high usage rate and will make plays for others, but he's not really a pg. We could have a fire & ice thing going here IF those 2 can figure out how to play together.

No issues with Ivey’s gradual development as a scorer and playmaker. But his defense needs a TON of work.

Cowology wrote:Ivey took a massive step forward when we took the ball outa Hayes hands and turned over the reigns. His comfort level was tangibly improved. It's going to be interesting to see how he and Cade play together.

I've long maintained that Cade is more of a Kobe or Wade type than an actual pg. He's going to have a high usage rate and will make plays for others, but he's not really a pg. We could have a fire & ice thing going here IF those 2 can figure out how to play together.

Yep Ivey has been very steadily improving, he'll still have rough shooting nights with bad defense but they're starting to be filled in better with nights and improving on them

Hayes on the other hand, has not been looking good at all after the Paris trip. Makes me wonder if he's playing injured

DBC10 wrote:

Cowology wrote:Ivey took a massive step forward when we took the ball outa Hayes hands and turned over the reigns. His comfort level was tangibly improved. It's going to be interesting to see how he and Cade play together.

I've long maintained that Cade is more of a Kobe or Wade type than an actual pg. He's going to have a high usage rate and will make plays for others, but he's not really a pg. We could have a fire & ice thing going here IF those 2 can figure out how to play together.

Yep Ivey has been very steadily improving, he'll still have rough shooting nights with bad defense but they're starting to be filled in better with nights and improving on them

Hayes on the other hand, has not been looking good at all after the Paris trip. Makes me wonder if he's playing injured

I think it might be more mental than physical, but I'm basing that on absolutely nothing. Just a feeling. I attribute Stews regression to injury/fatigue so maybe I'm just picking and choosing whatever suits me.

treefi wrote:Boggles my mind there are Pistons fans out there convinced Ivey sucks based on what he's shown thus far. He's a better shooter and passer than I anticipated he'd be as a rookie.

I do think Ivey sucks, but I also think he have great potential and I think he will get his **** together and will be an all star. So maybe you are confuse about how some fans see Ivey? I am not against him.

I was bull on the Ivey pick and bear on his play early season. He has been playing better as the pg recently. While I like seeing Ivey play better now that hes the lead handler it still leaves the same questions I had with him early. Mainly defense and playing offball with our franchise player Cade.

I dont see him as a good off ball player on either side of the ball. Young guards always look better on ball. Also his defense is terrible.

If I was GM I'd be looking to trade him this offseason. I expect we could get quite the haul for him. He does still have some upside that would entice other teams to pay alot. He would be a great headliner in a package for a young 3+D player. If we hold him another season and he doesnt improve much his value will go down.

tmorgan wrote:No issues with Ivey’s gradual development as a scorer and playmaker. But his defense needs a TON of work.

yeah the all-in-one stat i trust the most is EPM (estimated plus-minus) and ivey is in the 1st percentile overall for defensive EPM (4th worst in the league) and the worst for any player averaging over 20 MPG. for what it's worth, wiseman is dead last in the league and the eye test checks out for both of them imo.

what is encouraging is ivey looking a little more comfortable getting to his spots under control instead of using his speed and him operating in the mid range more. both of those were probably the biggest improvement points in his pre-draft analysis. he still needs a lot of work scoring in the paint but i have some more faith in him being a 3-level scorer than i did pre-draft.

His stats are pretty much where i thought they would be 15, 4 and 4.

He looks pretty good to me and he's showing he can get to the line at a decent rate which is really underrated. His passing is really impressing me he has much better court vision than given credit for. Once he stops dribbling into crowds and turning it over he's gonna be much better.

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Ivey is dynamite at getting to the hoop. If he can improve on his finishing there and his free throw shooting, he'll be a very reliable offense piece. He seems to be scaling back the terrible turnovers, which is great, and his three pointer feels semi-consistent at this point. Before Paris, I thought Hayes would pretty easily outplaying him for around a 30+ game stretch, and made more sense as a starter, but since Paris Ivey has definitely pulled ahead in that race and Hayes looks like he's better suited for a bench role.

I won't be surprised if I flip flop on that evaluation a few more times this season based on the ups and downs of their play. I think that's an OK place to be as a franchise full of young players, though, and I'm glad they have each other to compete with. I'm hoping it aids all of their growth and that by next season we're starting to develop a really sound 4 guard rotation with Cade, Ivey, Hayes, and Burks. (Gets messy if we draft Scoot, but we'll cross that bridge if we come to it).

He's mostly where I thought he would be - amazing athlete making occasional boneheaded plays. I am quite disappointed in his D so far though. It's understandable for rookies to miss rotations etc, but a guy as quick as he is should not be getting beat off the dribble so badly.

Yeah, his outside shooting has been mildly better than I thought and his defense (and at rim finishing) have been worse than I thought. Hoping the latter two are things that he's just developing.

Besides his defense, where he isn't bad so much as he seems lost, is his finishing at the rim. Why is he trying to lay the ball up so much, and not going in with the power, and hops he showed in college, amd we all know he has? Is he afraid of contact at the rim? Several times a game i see him turn down a Ja type of jam attempt, for some half-assed failed layup attempt.

He absolutely has the speed, hops, and power to yam it, but he will not do it.

MotownMadness wrote:His stats are pretty much where i thought they would be 15, 4 and 4.

This is what I thought too but I was hoping for/ expecting a few 30+ point night explosions to get more excited about his potential.

I mean, wasn’t Ivey advertised as a guy who’d take some time?

I don’t think anyone thought he was going to be a ROY candidate.

He’s shown flashes but isn’t a particularly good NBA player yet. And for now that’s fine.

Ultimately what matters most about Ivey is how he fits with Cade and we just can't know that this season.

zeebneeb wrote:Besides his defense, where he isn't bad so much as he seems lost, is his finishing at the rim. Why is he trying to lay the ball up so much, and not going in with the power, and hops he showed in college, amd we all know he has? Is he afraid of contact at the rim? Several times a game i see him turn down a Ja type of jam attempt, for some half-assed failed layup attempt.

He absolutely has the speed, hops, and power to yam it, but he will not do it.

Ja probably shouldn't do that most of the time either. Guy is amazing, but it's just about impossible to play like that consistently and not get hurt.