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Rewind to less than 3 years ago, the 19-20 Cavs were actually a worse team than the Pistons. They finished with the 2nd worst record in the league at 19-46, had an aging overpaid Kevin Love, had just traded expirings and a 2nd rounder for Andre Drummond, and the John Beilen hire from U of M was looking like a disaster. The only player from 3 years ago that is still on the roster was than rookie Darius Garland, who was ok as a rookie but far from great with an inefficient 12.3 PPG. He looked like their third best rookie behind Colin Sexton and Kevin Porter Jr.

It's crazy how good of a job they've done rebuilding that roster in less than 3 years, especially when comparing it to what Weaver has essentially done in the same time.

It's interesting and ironic that Cleveland's renaissance was built on the Jarret Allen trade. The Cavs already had Drummond and McGee and many observers at the time thought it made no sense to add another center.

That move might be the tipping point for moving from small ball back toward bigger frontline players. The successful Allen/Mobley pairing has led to others following suit.

440BB wrote:It's interesting and ironic that Cleveland's renaissance was built on the Jarret Allen trade. The Cavs already had Drummond and McGee and many observers at the time thought it made no sense to add another center.

That move might be the tipping point for moving from small ball back toward bigger frontline players. The successful Allen/Mobley pairing has led to others following suit.

Agree. Though, they didn't really add Allen to Drummond. They replaced Drummond with Allen. Was probably the transaction of the year.

440BB wrote:It's interesting and ironic that Cleveland's renaissance was built on the Jarret Allen trade. The Cavs already had Drummond and McGee and many observers at the time thought it made no sense to add another center.

That move might be the tipping point for moving from small ball back toward bigger frontline players. The successful Allen/Mobley pairing has led to others following suit.

Weaver really likes this “just acquire another C” trend

bstein14 wrote:Rewind to less than 3 years ago, the 19-20 Cavs were actually a worse team than the Pistons. They finished with the 2nd worst record in the league at 19-46, had an aging overpaid Kevin Love, had just traded expirings and a 2nd rounder for Andre Drummond, and the John Beilen hire from U of M was looking like a disaster. The only player from 3 years ago that is still on the roster was than rookie Darius Garland, who was ok as a rookie but far from great with an inefficient 12.3 PPG. He looked like their third best rookie behind Colin Sexton and Kevin Porter Jr.

It's crazy how good of a job they've done rebuilding that roster in less than 3 years, especially when comparing it to what Weaver has essentially done in the same time.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of 'blowing it up' and then paying a ton of money for guys for 'potential'.. So many teams got plenty of great picks for 5-10 yrs and went nowhere, because losing is not going to help culture, or attracting anyone, especially now, when a guy can ask for a trade.

If I was GM, I would never get a guy who can't play defense, and go from there.

bstein14 wrote:Rewind to less than 3 years ago, the 19-20 Cavs were actually a worse team than the Pistons. They finished with the 2nd worst record in the league at 19-46, had an aging overpaid Kevin Love, had just traded expirings and a 2nd rounder for Andre Drummond, and the John Beilen hire from U of M was looking like a disaster. The only player from 3 years ago that is still on the roster was than rookie Darius Garland, who was ok as a rookie but far from great with an inefficient 12.3 PPG. He looked like their third best rookie behind Colin Sexton and Kevin Porter Jr.

It's crazy how good of a job they've done rebuilding that roster in less than 3 years, especially when comparing it to what Weaver has essentially done in the same time.

They got rid of a guy (Sexton) who would be a positive asset on the Pistons.

Their GM can find talent - ours so far has been very bad. That's the difference.

Teams like this new version of the Cavs, Raptors, Jazz, they keep picking guys that are really good at basketball.

Weaver keeps trying with Bagleys, Wiseman, Stewart, Bey, Hayes, Josh Jackson, etc and they are NOT winning basketball players. At best they are just another guy. This is called 'opportunity cost'. We spent 3 years "developing" guys who suck. Thats means our GM doesnt know who can play basketball. Thats typically a bad thing.

Saben Lee, Frank Jackson, Olynyk, Garza, Okafor, Dennis Smith Jr.

Our GM basically had a 'do anything you want, but find talent' situation. And the team managed to fail with every single attempt.

Then you see the Jazz and in one year grab a whole team of guys who are all better than Pistons players.

edmunder_prc wrote:

bstein14 wrote:Rewind to less than 3 years ago, the 19-20 Cavs were actually a worse team than the Pistons. They finished with the 2nd worst record in the league at 19-46, had an aging overpaid Kevin Love, had just traded expirings and a 2nd rounder for Andre Drummond, and the John Beilen hire from U of M was looking like a disaster. The only player from 3 years ago that is still on the roster was than rookie Darius Garland, who was ok as a rookie but far from great with an inefficient 12.3 PPG. He looked like their third best rookie behind Colin Sexton and Kevin Porter Jr.

It's crazy how good of a job they've done rebuilding that roster in less than 3 years, especially when comparing it to what Weaver has essentially done in the same time.

They got rid of a guy (Sexton) who would be a positive asset on the Pistons.

Their GM can find talent - ours so far has been very bad. That's the difference.

Teams like this new version of the Cavs, Raptors, Jazz, they keep picking guys that are really good at basketball.

Weaver keeps trying with Bagleys, Wiseman, Stewart, Bey, Hayes, Josh Jackson, etc and they are NOT winning basketball players. At best they are just another guy. This is called 'opportunity cost'. We spent 3 years "developing" guys who suck. Thats means our GM doesnt know who can play basketball. Thats typically a bad thing.

Saben Lee, Frank Jackson, Olynyk, Garza, Okafor, Dennis Smith Jr.

Our GM basically had a 'do anything you want, but find talent' situation. And the team managed to fail with every single attempt.

Then you see the Jazz and in one year grab a whole team of guys who are all better than Pistons players.

The Jazz do have a pair of FAs in Sexton and Lauri Markanen that were free agents the past few seasons and guys we could have potentially signed with our cap space to be solid rotation players.

Here we **** go again. Looks like every other game, guys will suddenly be "hurt", just like the last 20 games of last year. Too many names OUT to type.

https://www.espn.com/nba/team/injuries/_/name/det/detroit-pistons

Hopefully Ivey breaks his career high tonight... I think he's still at 30.

Weaver can draft guys that’s his best attribute and the only attribute you need in the league. Free agents come with winning. Allen could’ve easily gotten injured and been a bust of a signing. In my opinion the person to blame right now is Casey not weaver. We’ve yet to see a big contract get handed out more than 20m a year. Also he keeps trading good players for rookies. Bojan was the first guy they kept over a young player. We’re gonna be really critical of Weaver this summer. It’s make or break time. I believe the first mistake is keeping Casey. He really needs to go.

MortSahlfan wrote:Here we **** go again. Looks like every other game, guys will suddenly be "hurt", just like the last 20 games of last year. Too many names OUT to type.

https://www.espn.com/nba/team/injuries/_/name/det/detroit-pistons

It's rough. 4 straight years of the last 20 games are the worst basketball ever seen in a Pistons uniform.

Cost of rebuilding, that most didn't think would go on this long.

Like I said in the other thread. We are in the "left shoulder soreness" and "illness" portion of a Pistons season.

Heads up though fellow Piston fans. Tonight is also the first of two back-to-back games of Houston VS Spurs. So no matter how badly the Pistons get embarrassed, we win!

Spider156 wrote:Weaver can draft guys that’s his best attribute and the only attribute you need in the league. Free agents come with winning. Allen could’ve easily gotten injured and been a bust of a signing. In my opinion the person to blame right now is Casey not weaver. We’ve yet to see a big contract get handed out more than 20m a year. Also he keeps trading good players for rookies. Bojan was the first guy they kept over a young player. We’re gonna be really critical of Weaver this summer. It’s make or break time. I believe the first mistake is keeping Casey. He really needs to go.

Buy Casey out and get Udoka.

With Bojan and Stew out and Livers d2d, maybe will get to see some bigs in together like Duren, Wiseman and Bagley in the same likeup at times?
Personally with a taller lineup to matchup with like Clevelands, Id like to see them experiment and not be the short club for a change.
Its not like any of Casey's other rotations are competitive anyways.

bstein14 wrote:Rewind to less than 3 years ago, the 19-20 Cavs were actually a worse team than the Pistons. They finished with the 2nd worst record in the league at 19-46, had an aging overpaid Kevin Love, had just traded expirings and a 2nd rounder for Andre Drummond, and the John Beilen hire from U of M was looking like a disaster. The only player from 3 years ago that is still on the roster was than rookie Darius Garland, who was ok as a rookie but far from great with an inefficient 12.3 PPG. He looked like their third best rookie behind Colin Sexton and Kevin Porter Jr.

It's crazy how good of a job they've done rebuilding that roster in less than 3 years, especially when comparing it to what Weaver has essentially done in the same time.

Cleveland is more than exception than the norm. Most full rebuilds in the NBA are painful for several years and the Pistons are following suit. A lot of it will depend on Cade, it's a superstar league. Need to get him healthy and a new coach.

zeebneeb wrote:

MortSahlfan wrote:Here we **** go again. Looks like every other game, guys will suddenly be "hurt", just like the last 20 games of last year. Too many names OUT to type.

https://www.espn.com/nba/team/injuries/_/name/det/detroit-pistons

It's rough. 4 straight years of the last 20 games are the worst basketball ever seen in a Pistons uniform.

Cost of rebuilding, that most didn't think would go on this long.

Like I said in the other thread. We are in the "left shoulder soreness" and "illness" portion of a Pistons season.

LOL

No one out for Cleveland tonight.

Spider156 wrote:Weaver can draft guys that’s his best attribute and the only attribute you need in the league. Free agents come with winning. Allen could’ve easily gotten injured and been a bust of a signing. In my opinion the person to blame right now is Casey not weaver. We’ve yet to see a big contract get handed out more than 20m a year. Also he keeps trading good players for rookies. Bojan was the first guy they kept over a young player. We’re gonna be really critical of Weaver this summer. It’s make or break time. I believe the first mistake is keeping Casey. He really needs to go.

Jury's definitely out on how good of a drafter Weaver is.

I've been wanting to see this since we got Wiseman.

So far it looks good.