2023-24 Roster

[theBigLip]

Ok, this might be a little premature before the lottery, but here’s what I’m hoping for. Assuming we don’t get VM, it should be something like this:

Cade/Hayes/???
Ivey/???/Burks
Miller/Bogdonovich/Livers
???/Bogdonovich/Stewart/Livers
Duren/Wiseman/Stewart

What needs fixing:
* Is Hayes a legit backup PG? Maybe try him first half of the year, but a short leash. Need a 3rd PG for emergency as well.
* Burks is in theory our backup SG for next year but not much longer. Not bad but we need someone else to be a more permanent fixture backing up Ivey.
* SF is lacking a tough defender. Livers can do ok as a backup but we need a killer 3&D guy. A 25 year old Kahwi or PG13 would be nice. So getting Bridges would be great except the part that we have to send back parts of our core. So you draft Miller and hope he becomes that guy.
* Just like SF, we need a 3&D type there as well. Stewart is a good backup but not a starter if we’re a playoff team. So we need some work done.
* Post can be covered between Duren and Wiseman.

Trade BB, Burks, Hayes and Bagley. Not expecting much but that’s also a lot of filler to help trade for a big contract.

Also make some kind of trade w New York so we trade our FRP. That would help us get a Mikal Bridges type of guy.

[Mr Peanut]

This is somewhat dependent on who we draft as you said. But for hypothetical purposes, will choose the middle between 1 and 5 and say we end up at 3 and then draft Miller. Then we use our cap space to sign Grant Williams on a 20M/yr contract (dark horse candidate being Draymond Green). I've kept Bagley on the roster as I think it's unlikely that our four bigs (Duren, Wiseman, Stewart, Bagley) all stay healthy for the better part of the season and it's good to have cover for this (also because he's still negative value on his current contract so won't return much value). McGruder kept due to his veteran presence. The rest would be smaller moves to fill out the roster.

Duren/Wiseman/FA or draft
Williams (or Green)/Stewart/Bagley
Miller/Bodganovic/Livers
Ivey/Burks/McGruder
Cade/Hayes/FA or draft

With good health and internal development that could be a 30-35 win team, and setting us up for the play-in/playoffs the year after.

[vege]

Best Case Scenario

Jalen Duren / James Wiseman / Marvin Bagley
Victor Wembanyama / Bojan Bogdanovic / Isaiah Stewart
Cameron Johnson / Royce O'Neale / Isaiah Livers* / Eugene Omoruyi*
Jaden Ivey / Alec Burks* / RJ Hampton*
Cade Cunningham / Patrick Beverley /

Top 5 pick - Win Lottery - Draft VW
#31 - Hayes + #31 for O'Neale
22 million in cap space - Cam Johnson
Room Exception - Pat Beverley

* means possibly gone to open up more raw cap space

[zeebneeb]

Very difficult question to answer, but, im willing to bet Weaver has an idea of who he is going to target, depending on draft position, and its probably not anyone someone has mentioned.(I'm talking trade, or free agent here)

For me, the gaurd position is set, for at least to start the year;

Cade/Hayes
Ivey/Burks

I am also enamored with Eugene, as he seemed to be everywhere he needed to be, and make the right play.

Cade/Hayes
Ivey/Burks
Bojan/Eugene
Bagley/Stewart
Duren/Wiseman

Just if everything stands pat, and a new coach, healthy Cade, the team should see a dramatic improvement, perhaps the one I thought was coming this year, before Cade went down.

I'll revise/revisit this thread after the draft lottery, as right now? Dartboard city.

[Kalamazoo317]

I like Eugene, but he's not better than Livers as a defender or a shooter. If Livers isn't in the top 9 rotation, I think we're doing something wrong. Also, unless Bagley greatly improves as a defender or a floor spacer, I can't see starting him over Stewart or Wiseman. Guard rotation there makes sense, though I worry Hayes won't be very reliable in limited minutes.

[Uncle Mxy]

If we draft Wembanyama, I bet Killian Hayes stays as the French Connection. <<soupir>>

[bstein14]

If we draft Wembanyama, I bet Killian Hayes stays as the French Connection. <<soupir>>

Agreed on that... if we get VW having another french teammate in Killian will certainly be helpful. Also wouldn't surprise me one bit if we end up trading for Fournier as well (something like Bagley for Fournier).... Fournier has one year left at $19 million and then a club option so less overall money due to him than Bagley. Fournier coming in could potentially help both Killian and VW.

[flow]

I like Eugene, but he's not better than Livers as a defender or a shooter. If Livers isn't in the top 9 rotation, I think we're doing something wrong. Also, unless Bagley greatly improves as a defender or a floor spacer, I can't see starting him over Stewart or Wiseman. Guard rotation there makes sense, though I worry Hayes won't be very reliable in limited minutes.

We're doing something wrong if he is in the rotation. We need better players.

[Kalamazoo317]

How high of a draft pick would you trade for Trey Young? If we get the #5, would you trade that and cap filler for him? Or do you consider him a toxic asset at this point?

[mattao313]

How high of a draft pick would you trade for Trey Young? If we get the #5, would you trade that and cap filler for him? Or do you consider him a toxic asset at this point?

I'd pass on him but I'd be vool with a 3 team deal

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[Manocad]

As long as the team keeps Diallo I’ll be happy. Last season he was often the best player on the floor for the Pistons.

[DBC10]

As long as the team keeps Diallo I’ll be happy. Last season he was often the best player on the floor for the Pistons.

He just sold his mansion in Bloomfield Hills, so his days may be drawing down not up?

[Manocad]

As long as the team keeps Diallo I’ll be happy. Last season he was often the best player on the floor for the Pistons.

He just sold his mansion in Bloomfield Hills, so his days may be drawing down not up?

Don’t tell me that. I may cry.

[Manocad]

If we draft Wembanyama, I bet Killian Hayes stays as the French Connection. <<soupir>>

Agreed on that... if we get VW having another french teammate in Killian will certainly be helpful. Also wouldn't surprise me one bit if we end up trading for Fournier as well (something like Bagley for Fournier).... Fournier has one year left at $19 million and then a club option so less overall money due to him than Bagley. Fournier coming in could potentially help both Killian and VW.

Tell me you’re not serious. They all speak English, and well.

[GreekAlex]

If we draft Wembanyama, I bet Killian Hayes stays as the French Connection. <<soupir>>

Agreed on that... if we get VW having another french teammate in Killian will certainly be helpful. Also wouldn't surprise me one bit if we end up trading for Fournier as well (something like Bagley for Fournier).... Fournier has one year left at $19 million and then a club option so less overall money due to him than Bagley. Fournier coming in could potentially help both Killian and VW.

Tell me you’re not serious. They all speak English, and well.

C’on. Wouldn’t it be fun to imagine Killian making crepes for Wemby to help him get acclimated?

[theBigLip]

I like Eugene, but he's not better than Livers as a defender or a shooter. If Livers isn't in the top 9 rotation, I think we're doing something wrong. Also, unless Bagley greatly improves as a defender or a floor spacer, I can't see starting him over Stewart or Wiseman. Guard rotation there makes sense, though I worry Hayes won't be very reliable in limited minutes.

We're doing something wrong if he is in the rotation. We need better players.

Livers is fine as a rotation player not just on the Pistons, but basically any team. He is smart, plays defense, has a reasonable shot, and is a good teammate on the floor. What he needs to do is stay healthy.

But I agree we need better players. From my OP which was focused on 23-24, and removing Hayes, Bogdonovich and Burks, these are the keepers IMHO.

Cade/???/???
Ivey/???/???
Miller/???/Livers
???/Stewart/???
Duren/Wiseman/???

So even if we get Miller and he’s good enough to start, we are still short a starting PF and three rotation players. Yes, we do need better players.

[treefi]

Next year will be the big one for Isaiah Stewart.

I think people forget that he's younger than Iowa Junior Kris Murray. Stewart took a big step back last year defensively, but with the tank on I think that was inevitable. What I didn't expect was Stewart to be a better 3-point shooter in year 3 than Cade Cunningam, but so far that's what happened in the NBA.

If Stewart improves his 3 point shooting again next year while regaining his defensive impact from year two, then yes he's definitely part of our starting core with Duren, Cade, Ivey... in my opinion.

[chrbal]

Not going to go into every single move but;

I really think we should try to sign Patrick Beverley, mostly just to set a new tone. I really think it’d be good to have him in the locker room and such. Honestly signing him more for that than his production.

The NBA and France owe us. That’s all I’m saying there.

I think we should trade for Dorian Finney-Smith. I feel like Brooklyn is likely to move him or O’Neale. I feel like with Dorian having an off season for him statistically. He might be more available, I think he’d fit in ideally here with Bojan, Jalen, Jaden and Cade as starters

I figure Burks and Bagley, possibly Wiseman, are the most available for trades with some others. Not everyone of them needs to go, but some change needs to happen.

I think it’s time to stop reserving a spot for McGruder. If we can only keep one of Eugene and Hampton, see ya RJ. Wouldn’t mind keeping them around though.

If that all happens, it’d be interesting to see if Hayes could learn from Beverley.. and we could finally see something from him.

[bstein14]

Duren / Wiseman
Stewart / Bagley
Bojan / Livers
Ivey / Burks
Cade / Hayes
Two of those guys are out of the rotation IMO once you add a top 45 pick and a $20+ million FA.

Those 10 are under contract already and we have options on a few guys as well as $25 million in cap space and a top 5 pick and the 31st pick. I'll assume pick #31 is likely to be our 15th man and out of the rotation... so I think we only keep one of Hampton, McGruder, CoJo, or Omoruyi..... or perhaps none of those guys to bring in one more FA with the $5 million exception we get after using our cap space. That's probably the best route, to clear house as much as we can and get another guy who can fight for rotation minutes for that $5 million. We're going to need all the depth we can get.

[Uncle Mxy]

If we draft Wembanyama, I bet Killian Hayes stays as the French Connection. <<soupir>>

Agreed on that... if we get VW having another french teammate in Killian will certainly be helpful. Also wouldn't surprise me one bit if we end up trading for Fournier as well (something like Bagley for Fournier).... Fournier has one year left at $19 million and then a club option so less overall money due to him than Bagley. Fournier coming in could potentially help both Killian and VW.

Tell me you’re not serious. They all speak English, and well.

This is what I think the front office would do. "soupir" above is the French word for "sigh", not an endorsement.