Is Tyrese Maxey the template for Jaden Ivey?

Laimbeer · Post #1 » by **Laimbeer** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:40 pm

Maxey has that same extra gear and knows when and how to use it. His speed is a great weapon. But he can also be effective in halfcourt when Harden is running the show. Ivey is a bit bigger and may eventually be better, but Maxey's game makes a lot of sense for him.

Thoughts?

flow · Post #2 » by **flow** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:49 pm

Maxey is a point guard with point guard instincts. Ivey isn't.

mattao313 · Post #3 » by **mattao313** » Fri May 12, 2023 6:05 pm

flow wrote:Maxey is a point guard with point guard instincts. Ivey isn't.

In what world? He a pure combo guard Ivey is a better playmaker easily.

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Manocad · Post #4 » by **Manocad** » Fri May 12, 2023 6:28 pm

Ivey just needs to continue to improve on the things he can do, cut down on the stupid turnovers, and work on his defense. He'll be fine just being him; he doesn't need to try to model himself after another player.

Billl · Post #5 » by **Billl** » Fri May 12, 2023 7:44 pm

The only thing I think ivey really needs to model after maxey is how much work he's put into that 3 ball. Guy shot 30% as a rookie and is up to 43% now. If defenders have to play ivey honest instead of just for the drive? watch out.

tmorgan · Post #6 » by **tmorgan** » Fri May 12, 2023 8:00 pm

flow wrote:Maxey is a point guard with point guard instincts. Ivey isn't.

Yeah, no offense, but that’s a really weird take.

Maxey averaged 20 points and 3.5 assists (on a team starting Harden at PG).

Ivey averaged 16 points and 5.2 assists, frequently starting at PG.

Now Maxey is clearly a lot better right now, but how exactly are you getting Maxey as a PG with PG instincts out of this?

Spider156 · Post #7 » by **Spider156** » Fri May 12, 2023 8:27 pm

Dwayne Wade is the template

Ivey is more like Oladipo before he got hurt. These guards have no ceiling based on their efficiency from 3 anything can happen. But when it comes to driving inside there’s a ceiling always unless you have a game like Cade or Harden. For Ivey I see a combo guard both point guard and shooting guard. Ivey’s ceiling also isn’t on offense, it’s on defense, he really needs to be better at that end.

One aspect fans don’t seem to count is what one summer does to an NBA player’s athleticism. If you see Morant he made a big jump athletically after his rookie season. Something similar can happen with Ivey and/or Duren.

Pharaoh · Post #8 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri May 12, 2023 11:06 pm

Bit hard to compare Ivey with Maxey considering their surroundings.

Maxey is on a team where at best he's their 3rd or 4th option. Ivey as a rookie was forced into a lead role.

IF Cade returns and is fully healthy
IF we add a legit weapon in the Draft
IF we add a legit free agent

Maybe then we can see Ivey pick and choose his spots on offense

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DBC10 · Post #9 » by **DBC10** » Fri May 12, 2023 11:07 pm

With Ivey I've seen Morant, Dipo, and maybe Westbrook lite as all of his shades of comps out there

He certainly can work to get Maxey's improvement in being an outside shooter considering Ivey always has room to grow there as much as his defense

So yeah, the Maxey makeover for Ivey will absolutely do wonders for him considering how unknown and a big project Maxey was and to where he's at now. Whoever Maxey worked with in the offseason to get that 3 ball up, go and work with him for Ivey. Because why the hell not?

vege · Post #10 » by **vege** » Sat May 13, 2023 1:28 am

Ivey need to play defense. Maxey is awful there, Ivey got to be better than that. He have all the tools and he've been learning basketball since forever because of his family. There is no excuse for him to be bad on defense.

DNice68 · Post #11 » by **DNice68** » Thu May 18, 2023 1:24 pm

vege wrote:Ivey need to play defense. Maxey is awful there, Ivey got to be better than that. He have all the tools and he've been learning basketball since forever because of his family. There is no excuse for him to be bad on defense.

Your right!

King Bugs · Post #12 » by **King Bugs** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:54 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Bit hard to compare Ivey with Maxey considering their surroundings.

Maxey is on a team where at best he's their 3rd or 4th option. Ivey as a rookie was forced into a lead role.

IF Cade returns and is fully healthy
IF we add a legit weapon in the Draft
IF we add a legit free agent

Maybe then we can see Ivey pick and choose his spots on offense

I actually thought Jaden did a good job of picking his spots early in the season. I feel like of all the players on the roster, he missed Cade the most. Early in the year Jaden was averaging 19 a game then his offensive production cratered once Cade went down for the year and it took a while for him to find his groove again in a new role as lead ball handler.

Playing off Cade made the game so much easier and simpler for Jaden. Attacking scrambling defenses off doubles that Cade drew, or if the defense successfully rotates onto Jaden's then he kicks it the opposite corner to Bojan, and he made a lot of those good instinctual cuts to the baskets when Cade's drives got cut off. It was just easy basketball for him, he could play off instinct and he didn't have to think too much.

Kalamazoo317 · Post #13 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Thu May 18, 2023 7:04 pm

If Cade, Ivey, and Bojan can all play off of each other effectively, we could have an actually pretty fun offense next season.

FloridaMan78 · Post #14 » by **FloridaMan78** » Thu May 18, 2023 7:08 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:If Cade, Ivey, and Bojan can all play off of each other effectively, we could have an actually pretty fun offense next season.

If we don’t get a decent perimeter defender with those three I may gouge my eyes out.

mattao313 · Post #15 » by **mattao313** » Thu May 18, 2023 7:16 pm

FloridaMan78 wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:If Cade, Ivey, and Bojan can all play off of each other effectively, we could have an actually pretty fun offense next season.

If we don’t get a decent perimeter defender with those three I may gouge my eyes out.

True they all suck on defense lmao

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Rip32 · Post #16 » by **Rip32** » Sat May 20, 2023 4:25 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Maxey has that same extra gear and knows when and how to use it. His speed is a great weapon. But he can also be effective in halfcourt when Harden is running the show. Ivey is a bit bigger and may eventually be better, but Maxey's game makes a lot of sense for him.

Thoughts?

Maxey soft! I will be much better

Manocad · Post #17 » by **Manocad** » Sun May 21, 2023 9:48 pm

vege wrote:Ivey need to play defense. Maxey is awful there, Ivey got to be better than that. He have all the tools and he've been learning basketball since forever because of his family. There is no excuse for him to be bad on defense.

Other than being a rookie?

whitehops · Post #18 » by **whitehops** » Sun May 21, 2023 11:11 pm

Manocad wrote:
vege wrote:Ivey need to play defense. Maxey is awful there, Ivey got to be better than that. He have all the tools and he've been learning basketball since forever because of his family. There is no excuse for him to be bad on defense.

Other than being a rookie?

I thought you didn’t think it mattered that there was correlation between bad defense and a player being a rookie?

DetroitSho · Post #19 » by **DetroitSho** » Mon May 22, 2023 2:05 am

whitehops wrote:
Manocad wrote:
vege wrote:Ivey need to play defense. Maxey is awful there, Ivey got to be better than that. He have all the tools and he've been learning basketball since forever because of his family. There is no excuse for him to be bad on defense.

Other than being a rookie?

I thought you didn’t think it mattered that there was correlation between bad defense and a player being a rookie?

Just out of sheer curiosity, was there a previous argument on this before?

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Manocad · Post #20 » by **Manocad** » Mon May 22, 2023 2:18 am

whitehops wrote:
Manocad wrote:
vege wrote:Ivey need to play defense. Maxey is awful there, Ivey got to be better than that. He have all the tools and he've been learning basketball since forever because of his family. There is no excuse for him to be bad on defense.

Other than being a rookie?

I thought you didn’t think it mattered that there was correlation between bad defense and a player being a rookie?

You’re thinking of someone else. I’m not the one who thinks draft position is directly related to development timeline.