How Did Tom/Troy Convince Monty?

[MortSahlfan]

He turned us down the first time, and then Gores wanted to try again and got him. Yes, I know he got paid the most in coaching history, but I'm curious after I was reading the latest quotes. Monty said "They had a thoughtful plan"

What do you think that plan was? How do you think they sold the Pistons to Monty?

[DetroitSho]

He turned us down the first time, and then Gores wanted to try again and got him. Yes, I know he got paid the most in coaching history, but I'm curious after I was reading the latest quotes. Monty said "They had a thoughtful plan"

What do you think that plan was? How do you think they sold the Pistons to Monty?

It's important to note that him "turning us down" wasn't an official offer and him declining. It was multiple teams reaching out to him, us being one of them, and him not yet being ready to discuss coaching at that time.

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[MotownMadness]

Becoming the highest paid coach in the league was all the motivation.

[MrBigShot]

that "thoughtful plan" was a few extra million per year

[thesack12]

Becoming the highest paid coach in the league was all the motivation.

This!

Of course you will hear some of the fluff quotes about this and that being attractive. He isn't going to come out and say, I'm here because they made me the highest paid coach in the history of the NBA (by a wide margin.) But that contract is certainly the reason why he came to Detroit.

If either Milwaukee or Philly offered him a contract in the range of what he got from Detroit, dude would have went to one of those contending teams.

[MortSahlfan]

You don't think he looks at our young core and ... thinks he can be a chef with what we have, realizing we have the 5th pick to hopefully trade, and enough money to sign a player? To entice him from a team thought were going to win, who have been contenders, to a team that is "not too far away"..

Cade seems perfect for his offense.

[mattao313]

I think the money tied to the years give him real job security. I don't think he'll get fired in 3 year unlike a lot of coaches whether he does a good or bad job.

He probably also like what weavers doing on the FO building it with black personnel

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[thesack12]

You don't think he looks at our young core and ... thinks he can be a chef with what we have, realizing we have the 5th pick to hopefully trade, and enough money to sign a player? To entice him from a team thought were going to win, who have been contenders, to a team that is "not too far away"..

Cade seems perfect for his offense.

Doubling his annual salary for a guaranteed 6 years was the motivation.

Also, saying Detroit is a team that is "not too far away" is incredibly homeristic.

[joedumars1]

$, it’ll be interesting to see how this works, cause didn’t Casey try the same offense? For that offense to work you need good shooters and willing shooters, ball movement, not guys who are holding the ball and creating right?

Idk, I’ll sit back and watch a little, but man cade getting hurt was bad news. If him and Ivey never mesh or aren’t meshing together that’ll be bad unless we move one cause the other became a standout. Just **** situation really.

[MortSahlfan]

If they don't mesh, I'd keep Cade. I think he could have come back a long time ago, but they were tanking intentionally, and think, might as well be overly safe. But, I hope they can complement each other. I love Stew, Diallo as well. Duren is already good. We can maybe package the #5 and Bagley to upgrade.
Monty won't be able to win without better players, but we did sit out a lot of guys for a number of games.

I don't see us scoring a top free agent, and hope we don't just spend to spend. We don't need more mediocre players just to rent for a few years. Try signing undrafted guys like Miami?

[TPA]

Those of you with Spotify can listen to James Edwards III from "The Bun and Cardigan Show" Podcast describe how the deal came together with some interesting facts on how the deal went down. It's almost a week old now, but the info is relevant and mostly common knowledge at this point.
My biggest takeaway - Gores and the Pistons were persistent; Williams initially told all teams "no". As other coaching vacancies filled up, Detroit kept their eyes on the prize and came back for their guy. The length of the contract and the $ were indeed factors, but Gores and the FO team never gave up on securing Monty.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5RhBxidRZvGbnvyyIsA2dk?si=6f8571ab46d74099

[Kalamazoo317]

He technically never turned down an offer. He let it be known to initial inquiries, including from teams like Milwaukee, that he was planning to take some time off. We went off and interviewed some others, then decided to make Monty an offer he couldn’t refuse.

[Spider156]

Becoming the highest paid coach in the league was all the motivation.

I don’t believe it was the money per year although that helped. I believe Gores went for long term 6-8 years. They probably have a full plan of who to target to draft, free agency and probably showed open offers for current players and their pick.

The truth is this whole process really showed how much little fans know about the coaching search process. I can only imagine how open the information is about what teams are offering what for the pick and which players reached out for a contract before free agency even though it’s not allowed. I’m sure there’s a lot of chatter that’s wide open for the front office to pinpoint as realistic goals/targets.

[Spider156]

Keeping Casey for this long out of respect and the way they promoted him has ALOT to do with Monty trusting in the culture the front office wants to instill. I get the feeling Monty might retire a Piston or even become our president later on.

[Spider156]

$, it’ll be interesting to see how this works, cause didn’t Casey try the same offense? For that offense to work you need good shooters and willing shooters, ball movement, not guys who are holding the ball and creating right?

Idk, I’ll sit back and watch a little, but man cade getting hurt was bad news. If him and Ivey never mesh or aren’t meshing together that’ll be bad unless we move one cause the other became a standout. Just **** situation really.

Good players figure out how to share the ball. I’ve NEVER seen a team without multiple ball handlers beyond the Pistons and Spurs, that old school system is out. Now you need minimum 2-3 ball handlers/playmakers and I’m honestly tired of fans mentioning how players can share the ball. They said the same thing about Lebron and Wade and they won two. They said the same thing about Durant joining Warriors and they won. Phoenix with CP3 Booker Durant all ball handlers. Kyrie Harden Durant all ball handlers. When a fan says “I don’t know if they can fit” tells me how knowledgeable the fan is, it’s a glaring thought process.

It’s obvious…

GREAT PLAYERS FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHARE THE BALL

If they dont…they’re not great players are they?

[Spider156]

You don't think he looks at our young core and ... thinks he can be a chef with what we have, realizing we have the 5th pick to hopefully trade, and enough money to sign a player? To entice him from a team thought were going to win, who have been contenders, to a team that is "not too far away"..

Cade seems perfect for his offense.

Doubling his annual salary for a guaranteed 6 years was the motivation.

Also, saying Detroit is a team that is "not too far away" is incredibly homeristic.

They’re not far away no. I’d say Duren is the farthest away but our backcourt is in the mix next year to compete. What the team needs to compete is get rid of the raw talent like Stewart Diallo Killian and everyone underneath. Only raw talent to keep is Duren and Wiseman, rest can go.

[joedumars1]

$, it’ll be interesting to see how this works, cause didn’t Casey try the same offense? For that offense to work you need good shooters and willing shooters, ball movement, not guys who are holding the ball and creating right?

Idk, I’ll sit back and watch a little, but man cade getting hurt was bad news. If him and Ivey never mesh or aren’t meshing together that’ll be bad unless we move one cause the other became a standout. Just **** situation really.

Good players figure out how to share the ball. I’ve NEVER seen a team without multiple ball handlers beyond the Pistons and Spurs, that old school system is out. Now you need minimum 2-3 ball handlers/playmakers and I’m honestly tired of fans mentioning how players can share the ball. They said the same thing about Lebron and Wade and they won two. They said the same thing about Durant joining Warriors and they won. Phoenix with CP3 Booker Durant all ball handlers. Kyrie Harden Durant all ball handlers. When a fan says “I don’t know if they can fit” tells me how knowledgeable the fan is, it’s a glaring thought process.

It’s obvious…

GREAT PLAYERS FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHARE THE BALL

If they dont…they’re not great players are they?

Yes this is all true. I guess I’m worried they’re not great players or they can’t figure out how to be great together cause of ego or wanting to be the man. Obviously I have no clue, just have to be patient and see. Frustrated at missing a year of cade with Ivey.

[buzzkilloton]

Money,money,MONEY!

[Pharaoh]

Terms of the deal obviously played a part but you'd have to imagine the "plan" laid out to Monty was good enough for him to believe we won't suck for much longer.

Going through multiple losing seasons is taxing on anyone - regardless of your pay

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[Spider156]

$, it’ll be interesting to see how this works, cause didn’t Casey try the same offense? For that offense to work you need good shooters and willing shooters, ball movement, not guys who are holding the ball and creating right?

Idk, I’ll sit back and watch a little, but man cade getting hurt was bad news. If him and Ivey never mesh or aren’t meshing together that’ll be bad unless we move one cause the other became a standout. Just **** situation really.

Good players figure out how to share the ball. I’ve NEVER seen a team without multiple ball handlers beyond the Pistons and Spurs, that old school system is out. Now you need minimum 2-3 ball handlers/playmakers and I’m honestly tired of fans mentioning how players can share the ball. They said the same thing about Lebron and Wade and they won two. They said the same thing about Durant joining Warriors and they won. Phoenix with CP3 Booker Durant all ball handlers. Kyrie Harden Durant all ball handlers. When a fan says “I don’t know if they can fit” tells me how knowledgeable the fan is, it’s a glaring thought process.

It’s obvious…

GREAT PLAYERS FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHARE THE BALL

If they dont…they’re not great players are they?

Yes this is all true. I guess I’m worried they’re not great players or they can’t figure out how to be great together cause of ego or wanting to be the man. Obviously I have no clue, just have to be patient and see. Frustrated at missing a year of cade with Ivey.

1. I highly doubt they’re not great players seeing the command of games they took offensively. Their problem is defense.
2. Have you seen Cade play? Yes okay first quarter what’s the biggest gripe on him? He immediately passes the ball to someone else and keeps passing it away. It’s frustrating because he’s so talented we want him to shoot, play make. No he passes the ball for someone else to make a play.

That’s why I’m not worried about Cade and Ivey. Cade loves to pass the ball first quarter and that means Ivey gets more touches. By fourth, Cade usually keeps the ball. You can tell how he plays every game just follow him. First quarter, always passing, fourth quarter, wants to finish the game. So I’m not worried about Cade. I’m more worried that his shot efficiency isn’t as great as his draft position suggests because that’s the only factor in his game that’ll limit his ceiling. Of course, it’s also one of the easiest to improve since all you’re doing for a living every day…is shooting a basketball. Even Lebron became really efficient so I doubt Cade struggles to improve.

Carmelo Anthony didn’t become a great shooter until year 5 or 6. Otherwise he was 30% and under year 1-4 which is pretty bad. That’s basically Stewart’s average right now and we think he sucks at shooting. Imagine…in two years he’s shooting 40%? Well Carmelo Anthony did that. If you watch Brook Lopez he completely overhauled his game from the post to 3 pt shooting after 10 years. His first 10 years is very different than after 10 years in the league.