Utah 9 and 16?

[theBigLip]

The Pistons are deliberating a final group of prospects at the fifth position, where Detroit could still find someone available later in the lottery whom the Pistons would have happily chosen at No. 5. Utah has been in contact with the Pistons about trading up from Nos. 9 and 16, according to league sources, with rival teams of the belief the Jazz are searching to get above Washington’s eighth pick in order to select Arkansas guard Anthony Black. Utah has also contacted Indiana about trading into the seventh selection, sources said. But the Jazz may need to trade above Orlando — or find a trade with the Magic at No. 6 — to secure a chance at Black. Utah has made guard Collin Sexton available in trade talks around the league, sources said.

9 and 16 seems fair. I wish there was a way to guarantee we get Hendricks at 9.

[theBigLip]

Can we dump Hayes for Sexton while we’re at it?

[mike06181]

Hayes and 5 for sexton 9&16? Heck yes

[Drwho17]

Woh, that's a good idea, Pistons aren't going to extend Hayes anyway, Sextons got 3 years left though, Utah might want to dump it, not sure the Pistons would want to burn it up on him.

[bstein14]

I actually thought once the Spurs got VW they might have interest in Hayes for a 2nd rounder to bring in another French player to help with his transition.

9 and 16 seems fine with me especially if we could package #31 and #16 to move up a few spots as well.

[Kilo]

9 still gets you one of Auser, Jarace, Hendricks or Whitmore assuming Black goes 5th. Seems.like a no-brainer unless Pistons have somebody heads and shoulders above.in their rankings of those players. Also might want to wait to see if Amen or Miller inexplicably fell ie wait until they're on the clock. Not sure I am interested in the 16th pick in this draft though, maybe get a future FRP instead or flip it to NYK to get the pistons owed from back.

[Kilo]

Bb and 16 for THJ and 10 would make more sense from Dallas's poverty at least

[Snakebites]

9 still gets you one of Auser, Jarace, Hendricks or Whitmore assuming Black goes 5th. Seems.like a no-brainer unless Pistons have somebody heads and shoulders above.in their rankings of those players. Also might want to wait to see if Amen or Miller inexplicably fell ie wait until they're on the clock. Not sure I am interested in the 16th pick in this draft though, maybe get a future FRP instead or flip it to NYK to get the pistons owed from back.

I agree.

The 16th isn’t thrilling but it’s an asset that can be leveraged.

If there isn’t a clear favorite at 5 that’s an easy call.

[theBigLip]

A crazy scenario is to make multiple small trades and ensure we get Hendricks. Trade w Orlando if they want Amen or Black. It would be great to get #11 but we would certainly need to add something. Then trade w Indiana (who might also want Hendricks but maybe Amen?). Get one of their later picks. All this unlikely, but the end goal of getting Hendricks at 9 and also getting 16 would be awesome.

[Moses ShamMoses]

I'm not too keen about trading 5 for 9 and 16. Unless Weaver ranks a group of guys similar 5-9 and nobody dropped from his top 4, I'd rather have quality than quantity.

[Snakebites]

I sure hope Ainge doesn’t take Weaver to the cleaners.

The Jazz have 28 too…

[Snakebites]

I'm not too keen about trading 5 for 9 and 16. Unless Weaver ranks a group of guys similar 5-9 and nobody dropped from his top 4, I'd rather have quality than quantity.

This really does look like the scenario though based on every draft board and report I’ve seen. There’s debate between 5 guys with no clear standout and the top 4 look pretty set.

[theBigLip]

I sure hope Ainge doesn’t take Weaver to the cleaners.

The Jazz have 28 too…

I think Weaver is up 1-0 against Ainge after we stole Bogdonovich for Olynyk.

[flow]

9 still gets you one of Auser, Jarace, Hendricks or Whitmore assuming Black goes 5th. Seems.like a no-brainer unless Pistons have somebody heads and shoulders above.in their rankings of those players. Also might want to wait to see if Amen or Miller inexplicably fell ie wait until they're on the clock. Not sure I am interested in the 16th pick in this draft though, maybe get a future FRP instead or flip it to NYK to get the pistons owed from back.

I agree.

The 16th isn’t thrilling but it’s an asset that can be leveraged.

If there isn’t a clear favorite at 5 that’s an easy call.

I think that depends. If there isn't a clear favorite because we rate all 5 of those prospects the same, that's one thing. But if there isn't a clear favorite because management is split between 2 or 3, then you run the risk of missing out on both/all of them by dropping to 9. That's not a risk worth taking.

[Snakebites]

9 still gets you one of Auser, Jarace, Hendricks or Whitmore assuming Black goes 5th. Seems.like a no-brainer unless Pistons have somebody heads and shoulders above.in their rankings of those players. Also might want to wait to see if Amen or Miller inexplicably fell ie wait until they're on the clock. Not sure I am interested in the 16th pick in this draft though, maybe get a future FRP instead or flip it to NYK to get the pistons owed from back.

I agree.

The 16th isn’t thrilling but it’s an asset that can be leveraged.

If there isn’t a clear favorite at 5 that’s an easy call.

I think that depends. If there isn't a clear favorite because we rate all 5 of those prospects the same, that's one thing. But if there isn't a clear favorite because management is split between 2 or 3, then you run the risk of missing out on both/all of them by dropping to 9. That's not a risk worth taking.

If Black is going to be one of those picks, I think you’re looking at a situation where you most likely get Whitmore, Hendricks, or Walker. Someone will bite on Ausar. Or, agree or disagree, we seem to like him.

I’d do the deal.

[Piston Pete]

Don’t like it.

Unless we have everyone in the 5-10 range rated equally, we’re better off standing up and picking the guy we really want at 5.

16 is a blah pick in this draft.


Now if we have no clear cut guy we want over the others….then it’s a moot point anyway cuz if that were the case, then it’s a crap draft.

[mattao313]

Don’t like it.

Unless we have everyone in the 5-10 range rated equally, we’re better off standing up and picking the guy we really want at 5.

16 is a blah pick in this draft.


Now if we have no clear cut guy we want over the others….then it’s a moot point anyway cuz if that were the case, then it’s a crap draft.

I definitely don't think its a very impressive draft after like the first 3. Weavers and Co gotta earn that money and get the Allstar somewhere in that 5-10 range.

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[Spider156]

9 still gets you one of Auser, Jarace, Hendricks or Whitmore assuming Black goes 5th. Seems.like a no-brainer unless Pistons have somebody heads and shoulders above.in their rankings of those players. Also might want to wait to see if Amen or Miller inexplicably fell ie wait until they're on the clock. Not sure I am interested in the 16th pick in this draft though, maybe get a future FRP instead or flip it to NYK to get the pistons owed from back.

16 can get you GG jackson who is a tremendous athlete and can be a steal of the draft. I don’t mind 16 specially with Weaver drafting I mean the sky is the limit whenever he drafts and he usually fixes it. For example I think we traded Bey to get the second pick of the same draft which also fixes the Hayes pick as wiseman was first on our board not Killian. Not only that but Weaver also knew he’d get top 5 regardless of the lottery and he saw Whitmore/Ausar that are obvious upgrades above Bey. I personally saw all of this once we traded for Wiseman. We all know one thing, Weaver has a couple of tricks up his sleeve this draft, always seems to be the smartest man in the room when it comes to Draft Night. We need two more young assets and it’s over, can flip talent for better by trade deadline. I do believe Weaver is setting himself up for a big spike by the trade deadline which we’ve seen he’s willing to make a risky trade. The only thing we haven’t seen Weaver make is use a large amount of cap space for one player. That’s also likely why he stays as GM. Saving Gores so much money got Weaver the best coach available. Saving on Bey can get Weaver two more assets and possible 2 more in free agency ala Bogan Burke. So it’s definitely a wait and see and I think we have so many doors to take and I do appreciate what Weaver has done in terms of collecting assets. If you forget winning for a minute, you’ll notice our organization is in a far superior position than 4 years ago and that’s all I wanted out of Weaver.

[theBigLip]

9 still gets you one of Auser, Jarace, Hendricks or Whitmore assuming Black goes 5th. Seems.like a no-brainer unless Pistons have somebody heads and shoulders above.in their rankings of those players. Also might want to wait to see if Amen or Miller inexplicably fell ie wait until they're on the clock. Not sure I am interested in the 16th pick in this draft though, maybe get a future FRP instead or flip it to NYK to get the pistons owed from back.

16 can get you GG jackson who is a tremendous athlete and can be a steal of the draft. I don’t mind 16 specially with Weaver drafting I mean the sky is the limit whenever he drafts and he usually fixes it. For example I think we traded Bey to get the second pick of the same draft which also fixes the Hayes pick as wiseman was first on our board not Killian. Not only that but Weaver also knew he’d get top 5 regardless of the lottery and he saw Whitmore/Ausar that are obvious upgrades above Bey. I personally saw all of this once we traded for Wiseman. We all know one thing, Weaver has a couple of tricks up his sleeve this draft, always seems to be the smartest man in the room when it comes to Draft Night. We need two more young assets and it’s over, can flip talent for better by trade deadline. I do believe Weaver is setting himself up for a big spike by the trade deadline which we’ve seen he’s willing to make a risky trade. The only thing we haven’t seen Weaver make is use a large amount of cap space for one player. That’s also likely why he stays as GM. Saving Gores so much money got Weaver the best coach available. Saving on Bey can get Weaver two more assets and possible 2 more in free agency ala Bogan Burke. So it’s definitely a wait and see and I think we have so many doors to take and I do appreciate what Weaver has done in terms of collecting assets. If you forget winning for a minute, you’ll notice our organization is in a far superior position than 4 years ago and that’s all I wanted out of Weaver.

Great post. Agree 16 is valuable - maybe not an immediate starter but one of these younger guys with huge potential.

[flow]

9 still gets you one of Auser, Jarace, Hendricks or Whitmore assuming Black goes 5th. Seems.like a no-brainer unless Pistons have somebody heads and shoulders above.in their rankings of those players. Also might want to wait to see if Amen or Miller inexplicably fell ie wait until they're on the clock. Not sure I am interested in the 16th pick in this draft though, maybe get a future FRP instead or flip it to NYK to get the pistons owed from back.

16 can get you GG jackson who is a tremendous athlete and can be a steal of the draft. I don’t mind 16 specially with Weaver drafting I mean the sky is the limit whenever he drafts and he usually fixes it. For example I think we traded Bey to get the second pick of the same draft which also fixes the Hayes pick as wiseman was first on our board not Killian. Not only that but Weaver also knew he’d get top 5 regardless of the lottery and he saw Whitmore/Ausar that are obvious upgrades above Bey. I personally saw all of this once we traded for Wiseman. We all know one thing, Weaver has a couple of tricks up his sleeve this draft, always seems to be the smartest man in the room when it comes to Draft Night. We need two more young assets and it’s over, can flip talent for better by trade deadline. I do believe Weaver is setting himself up for a big spike by the trade deadline which we’ve seen he’s willing to make a risky trade. The only thing we haven’t seen Weaver make is use a large amount of cap space for one player. That’s also likely why he stays as GM. Saving Gores so much money got Weaver the best coach available. Saving on Bey can get Weaver two more assets and possible 2 more in free agency ala Bogan Burke. So it’s definitely a wait and see and I think we have so many doors to take and I do appreciate what Weaver has done in terms of collecting assets. If you forget winning for a minute, you’ll notice our organization is in a far superior position than 4 years ago and that’s all I wanted out of Weaver.

Nothing fixes the Hayes pick. And Wiseman isn't much better.