De’Andre Hunter

[theBigLip]

We are rumored to be talking trade w Atlanta. What would we give up?

[bstein14]

He's starting a 4 year $90 million deal this season and he's below league average in TS%. I think he's overpaid for what he produces. He's a below average starter. I wouldn't want to trade Bojan for him straight up, even though he defends better and is a lot younger.

I'd gladly give up:
Bagley + Hayes
Bagley + Burks
Burks + Hayes

Nothing else really makes sense to me at his price tag. I'd much rather have Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson at 4 years $110-$115 million than Hunter at 4 years $90 million.

[theBigLip]

There are still a handful of trade candidates that could be on the move with money matters in mind, most notably in Atlanta. In addition to previously reported dialogue between the Hawks and Pacers about trading forward De’Andre Hunter to Indiana, there were also significant talks between Atlanta and Detroit about moving Hunter to the Pistons, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Hawks also re-engaged the Jazz about trading John Collins to Utah, sources said, but no deals for Atlanta’s veterans ever materialized.

[Piston Pete]

He's starting a 4 year $90 million deal this season and he's below league average in TS%. I think he's overpaid for what he produces. He's a below average starter. I wouldn't want to trade Bojan for him straight up, even though he defends better and is a lot younger.

I'd gladly give up:
Bagley + Hayes
Bagley + Burks
Burks + Hayes

Nothing else really makes sense to me at his price tag. I'd much rather have Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson at 4 years $110-$115 million than Hunter at 4 years $90 million.

Agreed with this. I’d also strongly consider just taking him on as a Hawks salary dump.

Hunter and a future 1st for a 2nd, as an example. We can include any of the following players if Hawks want; Bagley, Hayes, Livers, Burks…

[Sort]

I'd rather watch Ausar 30 minutes a night. And just to be clear, if we did trade for Hunter, we would likely still be watching Ausar 30 minutes a night because Hunter is often injured. I think this is an easy pass at this point.

[bstein14]

He's starting a 4 year $90 million deal this season and he's below league average in TS%. I think he's overpaid for what he produces. He's a below average starter. I wouldn't want to trade Bojan for him straight up, even though he defends better and is a lot younger.

I'd gladly give up:
Bagley + Hayes
Bagley + Burks
Burks + Hayes

Nothing else really makes sense to me at his price tag. I'd much rather have Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson at 4 years $110-$115 million than Hunter at 4 years $90 million.

Agreed with this. I’d also strongly consider just taking him on as a Hawks salary dump.

Hunter and a future 1st for a 2nd, as an example. We can include any of the following players if Hawks want; Bagley, Hayes, Livers, Burks…

It we take him on a salary dump it ruins our chances at getting a player better than him on FA. I think if he were a FA this summer he'd probably get something in the neighborhood of 4 years $60 to $70 million he is certainly overpaid, but also Bagley is overpaid so some of that offsets.

Just taking him absorbing him into our cap space I'd for sure need multiple picks coming back to us.

[mike06181]

Perhaps none of the free agents want to go to detroit. If so this is a way to use the cap space.. with some picks coming with of course.

[Piston Pete]

He's starting a 4 year $90 million deal this season and he's below league average in TS%. I think he's overpaid for what he produces. He's a below average starter. I wouldn't want to trade Bojan for him straight up, even though he defends better and is a lot younger.

I'd gladly give up:
Bagley + Hayes
Bagley + Burks
Burks + Hayes

Nothing else really makes sense to me at his price tag. I'd much rather have Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson at 4 years $110-$115 million than Hunter at 4 years $90 million.

Agreed with this. I’d also strongly consider just taking him on as a Hawks salary dump.

Hunter and a future 1st for a 2nd, as an example. We can include any of the following players if Hawks want; Bagley, Hayes, Livers, Burks…

It we take him on a salary dump it ruins our chances at getting a player better than him on FA. I think if he were a FA this summer he'd probably get something in the neighborhood of 4 years $60 to $70 million he is certainly overpaid, but also Bagley is overpaid so some of that offsets.

Just taking him absorbing him into our cap space I'd for sure need multiple picks coming back to us.

Take one pick.

Multiple picks are for guys who nobody wants anything to do with.

Hunter is at least starter-worthy and still only 25.

If he were a FA this offseason, we’d be interested in him. I know that cuz according to this report, we have shown interest in trading for him. Overpaid? Maybe….but take the 1st rounder to offset it

[vege]

I like him a lot. If we're trading Bojan + parts for him I'll be ecstatic. He's a great defender, a bit inconsistent on offense, but if he gets hot he can take over a game and single handed win it.

[bstein14]

His defense I feel like is overrated. He's a good defender but he's far from a lock down defender on the wing. Cam Johnson is a better defender. I feel like Hunter is a slightly above average defender... which for this team is an upgrade but not enough to take on his contract. Of course perhaps his defensive intensity could increase if Monty builds a system with defense being a focal point. It's sometimes hard when your star player (Young) is one of the worst defenders in the league.... its hard to go out and give that effort every night when the guy with the ball in his hands getting all the shots is a turnstile on defense.

[theBigLip]

If we can flip Bagley/Burks, that’s a no brainer.

[vege]

If we can flip Bagley/Burks, that’s a no brainer.

It will cost us at very least Bojan++. Hunter have value.

He's a 6'7 winger with 7'2 wingspan and he proved he can be an above average starter in a playoff team. You need to pay to get one of those.

[chrbal]

If he can at least stay somewhat healthy, I’m not really against doing this. Added bonus is we can unload Bagley in the process.

And in a completely independent thought…
I really don’t want to be the team that overpays Kuzma, and with him being from Michigan.. I feel that’s a legitimate concern

[GreekAlex]

He misses too many games for my liking.

[Invictus88]

People need to keep in mind that in trades it's all about a player's production relative to how much that player or player/s are making in their contracts.

The overall goal of a team should be to maximize the amount of production you get per dollar spent because your money available to spend is finite. (obviously taking into account fit for your club)

Both Hunter and Bagley are on even terms according to this. Hunter does way more but is also paid way more. Neither are providing value commensurate with what they are being paid. So making this move doesn't improve us.

Then there is talk that we would have to trade Bojan + other stuff for him. No. Bojan has positive value relative to what he is getting paid. Hunter has negative value.

Then there is the aspect of "Well, at least if we do this then we don't have to worry about making an awful mistake by signing someone else". Just ugh. This shouldn't ever be a motivating reason to make a move. People forget that in most cases there is an option to just do nothing. And in a lot of cases that action is the correct one.


I honestly say that if we are contemplating the above (and nothing better elsewhere) that we are far better served just taking a swing at Cam Johnson. At least in that case if we overpay we will likely be happy with what we get back...

[Rip32]

We are rumored to be talking trade w Atlanta. What would we give up?

as a starting sf? I suspect Ausar will come off bench

[tradez401]

can hunter play the 4? if so a combination of bagley, hayes, and livers i'd do it...im keeping shooters burks/bojan out of this deal.

[theBigLip]

People need to keep in mind that in trades it's all about a player's production relative to how much that player or player/s are making in their contracts.

The overall goal of a team should be to maximize the amount of production you get per dollar spent because your money available to spend is finite. (obviously taking into account fit for your club)

Both Hunter and Bagley are on even terms according to this. Hunter does way more but is also paid way more. Neither are providing value commensurate with what they are being paid. So making this move doesn't improve us.

Then there is talk that we would have to trade Bojan + other stuff for him. No. Bojan has positive value relative to what he is getting paid. Hunter has negative value.

Then there is the aspect of "Well, at least if we do this then we don't have to worry about making an awful mistake by signing someone else". Just ugh. This shouldn't ever be a motivating reason to make a move. People forget that in most cases there is an option to just do nothing. And in a lot of cases that action is the correct one.


I honestly say that if we are contemplating the above (and nothing better elsewhere) that we are far better served just taking a swing at Cam Johnson. At least in that case if we overpay we will likely be happy with what we get back...

Cam Johnson is definitely top of our list, even if we have to overpay.

I get what you’re saying about getting value. But isn’t Hunter better than what we have?

[Invictus88]

People need to keep in mind that in trades it's all about a player's production relative to how much that player or player/s are making in their contracts.

The overall goal of a team should be to maximize the amount of production you get per dollar spent because your money available to spend is finite. (obviously taking into account fit for your club)

Both Hunter and Bagley are on even terms according to this. Hunter does way more but is also paid way more. Neither are providing value commensurate with what they are being paid. So making this move doesn't improve us.

Then there is talk that we would have to trade Bojan + other stuff for him. No. Bojan has positive value relative to what he is getting paid. Hunter has negative value.

Then there is the aspect of "Well, at least if we do this then we don't have to worry about making an awful mistake by signing someone else". Just ugh. This shouldn't ever be a motivating reason to make a move. People forget that in most cases there is an option to just do nothing. And in a lot of cases that action is the correct one.


I honestly say that if we are contemplating the above (and nothing better elsewhere) that we are far better served just taking a swing at Cam Johnson. At least in that case if we overpay we will likely be happy with what we get back...

Cam Johnson is definitely top of our list, even if we have to overpay.

I get what you’re saying about getting value. But isn’t Hunter better than what we have?

It's a question of whether the opportunity cost (i.e. inability to then spend this money elsewhere) of paying Hunter 90 million over 4 years is worth the benefit he provides over what we have now. Maybe it is. I haven't exactly heard great things about him though.

I think the ideas around "We should have Hunter over Bagley because Hunter is better than Bagley" are a bit more nuanced than that. I probably did a very poor / wordy way of trying to explain that though.

[tmorgan]

It’s also a fit thing, though. We need a 3/4 more than a 4/5, even with Ausar.