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There are still a handful of trade candidates that could be on the move with money matters in mind, most notably in Atlanta. In addition to previously reported dialogue between the Hawks and Pacers about trading forward De’Andre Hunter to Indiana, there were also significant talks between Atlanta and Detroit about moving Hunter to the Pistons, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Hawks also re-engaged the Jazz about trading John Collins to Utah, sources said, but no deals for Atlanta’s veterans ever materialized.

bstein14 wrote:He's starting a 4 year $90 million deal this season and he's below league average in TS%. I think he's overpaid for what he produces. He's a below average starter. I wouldn't want to trade Bojan for him straight up, even though he defends better and is a lot younger.

I'd gladly give up:
Bagley + Hayes
Bagley + Burks
Burks + Hayes

Nothing else really makes sense to me at his price tag. I'd much rather have Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson at 4 years $110-$115 million than Hunter at 4 years $90 million.

Piston Pete wrote:

bstein14 wrote:He's starting a 4 year $90 million deal this season and he's below league average in TS%. I think he's overpaid for what he produces. He's a below average starter. I wouldn't want to trade Bojan for him straight up, even though he defends better and is a lot younger.

I'd gladly give up:
Bagley + Hayes
Bagley + Burks
Burks + Hayes

Nothing else really makes sense to me at his price tag. I'd much rather have Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson at 4 years $110-$115 million than Hunter at 4 years $90 million.

Agreed with this. I’d also strongly consider just taking him on as a Hawks salary dump.

Hunter and a future 1st for a 2nd, as an example. We can include any of the following players if Hawks want; Bagley, Hayes, Livers, Burks…

bstein14 wrote:

Piston Pete wrote:

bstein14 wrote:He's starting a 4 year $90 million deal this season and he's below league average in TS%. I think he's overpaid for what he produces. He's a below average starter. I wouldn't want to trade Bojan for him straight up, even though he defends better and is a lot younger.

I'd gladly give up:
Bagley + Hayes
Bagley + Burks
Burks + Hayes

Nothing else really makes sense to me at his price tag. I'd much rather have Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson at 4 years $110-$115 million than Hunter at 4 years $90 million.

Agreed with this. I’d also strongly consider just taking him on as a Hawks salary dump.

Hunter and a future 1st for a 2nd, as an example. We can include any of the following players if Hawks want; Bagley, Hayes, Livers, Burks…

It we take him on a salary dump it ruins our chances at getting a player better than him on FA. I think if he were a FA this summer he'd probably get something in the neighborhood of 4 years $60 to $70 million he is certainly overpaid, but also Bagley is overpaid so some of that offsets.

Just taking him absorbing him into our cap space I'd for sure need multiple picks coming back to us.

theBigLip wrote:If we can flip Bagley/Burks, that’s a no brainer.

theBigLip wrote:We are rumored to be talking trade w Atlanta. What would we give up?

Invictus88 wrote:People need to keep in mind that in trades it's all about a player's production relative to how much that player or player/s are making in their contracts.

The overall goal of a team should be to maximize the amount of production you get per dollar spent because your money available to spend is finite. (obviously taking into account fit for your club)

Both Hunter and Bagley are on even terms according to this. Hunter does way more but is also paid way more. Neither are providing value commensurate with what they are being paid. So making this move doesn't improve us.

Then there is talk that we would have to trade Bojan + other stuff for him. No. Bojan has positive value relative to what he is getting paid. Hunter has negative value.

Then there is the aspect of "Well, at least if we do this then we don't have to worry about making an awful mistake by signing someone else". Just ugh. This shouldn't ever be a motivating reason to make a move. People forget that in most cases there is an option to just do nothing. And in a lot of cases that action is the correct one.


I honestly say that if we are contemplating the above (and nothing better elsewhere) that we are far better served just taking a swing at Cam Johnson. At least in that case if we overpay we will likely be happy with what we get back...

theBigLip wrote:

Invictus88 wrote:People need to keep in mind that in trades it's all about a player's production relative to how much that player or player/s are making in their contracts.

The overall goal of a team should be to maximize the amount of production you get per dollar spent because your money available to spend is finite. (obviously taking into account fit for your club)

Both Hunter and Bagley are on even terms according to this. Hunter does way more but is also paid way more. Neither are providing value commensurate with what they are being paid. So making this move doesn't improve us.

Then there is talk that we would have to trade Bojan + other stuff for him. No. Bojan has positive value relative to what he is getting paid. Hunter has negative value.

Then there is the aspect of "Well, at least if we do this then we don't have to worry about making an awful mistake by signing someone else". Just ugh. This shouldn't ever be a motivating reason to make a move. People forget that in most cases there is an option to just do nothing. And in a lot of cases that action is the correct one.


I honestly say that if we are contemplating the above (and nothing better elsewhere) that we are far better served just taking a swing at Cam Johnson. At least in that case if we overpay we will likely be happy with what we get back...

Cam Johnson is definitely top of our list, even if we have to overpay.

I get what you’re saying about getting value. But isn’t Hunter better than what we have?