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Which of these 5 options would you do with our $30 million in cap spcae?

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Which would be your preferred method of spending our $30 million in cap space?

#1. Cam Johnson 4 years $114 million Brooklyn doesn't match
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40%
#2 Jerami Grant 4 years $120 million
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3%
#3 Bruce Brown (4/$74) + Williams (4/$56)
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15%
#4 LaVert (4/$74) + Brooks (4/$56)
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3%
#5 Hold and be patient and wait for lesser players on more bargain deals or trades.
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40%
 
Total votes: 40

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Post#1 » by bstein14 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:37 pm

Let's just pretend that all five of these are options for us if we wanted to do them. Which would be your preferred method of spending our $30 million in cap space?

#1. Cam Johnson 4 years $114 million guaranteed and Brooklyn doesn't match
$30, $29, $28, $27

#2. Jerami Grant 4 years $120 million
$30, $30, $30, $30

#3. Bruce Brown (4 years $74) and Grant Williams (4 years $56)
Brown = $17 + $18 + $19 + $20
Williams = $13 + $13.6 + $14.2 + $14.8

#4. LaVert (4 years $74) + Dillon Brooks (4 years $56)
LaVert = $17 + $18 + $19 + $20
Brooks = $13 + $13.6 + $14.2 + $14.8

#5. Hold onto cap space for the first week or two of FA and then see what's available for bargains or use of space in trade. Worst case go into the season as the team with a bunch of cap space and hope to make a trade with a team looking to clear a player off their books for draft compensation.
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Post#2 » by Piston Pete » Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:52 pm

This is what I’d do:

#3. Christian Wood (4 years $74) and Grant Williams (4 years $56)
Wood = $17 + $18 + $19 + $20
Williams = $13 + $13.6 + $14.2 + $14.8
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Post#3 » by bstein14 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:22 pm

Piston Pete wrote:This is what I’d do:

#3. Christian Wood (4 years $74) and Grant Williams (4 years $56)
Wood = $17 + $18 + $19 + $20
Williams = $13 + $13.6 + $14.2 + $14.8


If the Mavs don't want to keep Christian Wood for that price tag, and we didn't want to keep him previously... and Houston was quick to trade him away... That's pretty damning. He's a guy who can put up some decent stats with a nice offensive skillset but I'm not sure he'd devoted to doing the things it takes to win. Feels like it would be kind of like throwing money at Bagley, which we already did.
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Post#4 » by Piston Pete » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:47 pm

bstein14 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:This is what I’d do:

#3. Christian Wood (4 years $74) and Grant Williams (4 years $56)
Wood = $17 + $18 + $19 + $20
Williams = $13 + $13.6 + $14.2 + $14.8


If the Mavs don't want to keep Christian Wood for that price tag, and we didn't want to keep him previously... and Houston was quick to trade him away... That's pretty damning. He's a guy who can put up some decent stats with a nice offensive skillset but I'm not sure he'd devoted to doing the things it takes to win. Feels like it would be kind of like throwing money at Bagley, which we already did.


Wood is UFA
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Post#5 » by Moses ShamMoses » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:54 pm

I voted hold and be patient and look for value contracts and/or trades. I'm just hesitant to go all-in with some of the names being mentioned.
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Post#6 » by dbuch238 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:27 pm

Pick up a value contract. We don't need another starter, assuming Ausar will at some point replace Bogdanovic at SF. Jalen McDaniels is unrestricted, earned less than $2MM last season in Philly. He's a 25 yo , 6'9" SF who shoots at career .345 from 3. Save much of that $30MM for when they have to pay Cunningham, Ivey and Duren.
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Post#7 » by DBC10 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:35 pm

I like the options 1 & 3 but not sure Bruce would come here again, so instead of him, put D Brooks in there

Also and 1'd Piston Pete's post accidentally...my b
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Post#8 » by theBigLip » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:55 pm

#1, and if it doesn’t work, then #5.

Go for Cam. That would have the biggest impact.

Getting marginally better players helps a little on the short run, but eats up our cap space. So if we don’t get Cam, we should just shop for bargains on 1 year deals.

We should not sign anyone to a 2 year deal or longer if they wouldn’t be on our future playoff roster.
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Post#9 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:56 pm

Piston Pete wrote:
bstein14 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:This is what I’d do:

#3. Christian Wood (4 years $74) and Grant Williams (4 years $56)
Wood = $17 + $18 + $19 + $20
Williams = $13 + $13.6 + $14.2 + $14.8


If the Mavs don't want to keep Christian Wood for that price tag, and we didn't want to keep him previously... and Houston was quick to trade him away... That's pretty damning. He's a guy who can put up some decent stats with a nice offensive skillset but I'm not sure he'd devoted to doing the things it takes to win. Feels like it would be kind of like throwing money at Bagley, which we already did.


Wood is UFA

I don't think his response had anything to do with his FA status.
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Post#10 » by DetroitSho » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:00 pm

Piston Pete wrote:
bstein14 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:This is what I’d do:

#3. Christian Wood (4 years $74) and Grant Williams (4 years $56)
Wood = $17 + $18 + $19 + $20
Williams = $13 + $13.6 + $14.2 + $14.8


If the Mavs don't want to keep Christian Wood for that price tag, and we didn't want to keep him previously... and Houston was quick to trade him away... That's pretty damning. He's a guy who can put up some decent stats with a nice offensive skillset but I'm not sure he'd devoted to doing the things it takes to win. Feels like it would be kind of like throwing money at Bagley, which we already did.


Wood is UFA
How is this a response to what he said?

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Post#11 » by Piston Pete » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:06 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:
bstein14 wrote:
If the Mavs don't want to keep Christian Wood for that price tag, and we didn't want to keep him previously... and Houston was quick to trade him away... That's pretty damning. He's a guy who can put up some decent stats with a nice offensive skillset but I'm not sure he'd devoted to doing the things it takes to win. Feels like it would be kind of like throwing money at Bagley, which we already did.


Wood is UFA
How is this a response to what he said?

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I thought the bolded was referring to him possibly being a RFA
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Post#12 » by DetroitSho » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:43 pm

Piston Pete wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:
Wood is UFA
How is this a response to what he said?

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I thought the bolded was referring to him possibly being a RFA
No, it speaks to Wood being a terrible idea.

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Post#13 » by Drwho17 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:49 pm

No retreads, no Grant, no Christian Wood (Dallas doesn't even want him back). How about Harrison Barnes, and Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and aquire a pick or two for salary dumps.
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Post#14 » by vege » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:59 pm

#1 #2 or #3. Never #4 or #5
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Post#15 » by tmorgan » Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:34 pm

Honestly, I want Bruce Brown the most, but that may not be an option.

Cam at a ridiculous price would not be my choice. Definitely no on Dillon Brooks. Maybe on Grant Williams if the price is reasonable. No on Jerami at his price point.

The maybes, depending on price, are Barnes and NAW and other cheaper guys that would fill a role on the wing.

I just don’t want an instantly bad contract on the books. We really only have one (non-rookie) contract I hate, and I’d rather not have another as we enter this new era of cap management in the NBA.
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Post#16 » by Spider156 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:08 pm

Personally I’d wait and see if there are offers we can get for example if Hunter was being contract dumped. That’s a player I’d accept but now that option is out the door. Collins wasn’t worth it and was the right move.

The problem is you completely are giving up and missing out on the players you do want if you take that option. There’s no guarantee you’ll get the offer you want.

Honestly the team is forced to offer Johnson the money. The reason is because he’s restricted and it’ll force the Nets to give up other talent possibly Finney Smith which goes back to the first statement. That’s a player I’d accept his contract for cheap and extend him. Only way to make it happen is force the Nets to pay.

After Johnson I don’t imagine Grant is available or Green or even Barnes. Guys like Oubre and Craig would become available and anyone can sign those guys to an MLE why would they sign with us outside of Monty?

Pistons are stuck paying Johnson. Otherwise we’re looking at Grant Williams.
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Post#17 » by edmunder_prc » Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:23 pm

dbuch238 wrote:Pick up a value contract. We don't need another starter, assuming Ausar will at some point replace Bogdanovic at SF. Jalen McDaniels is unrestricted, earned less than $2MM last season in Philly. He's a 25 yo , 6'9" SF who shoots at career .345 from 3. Save much of that $30MM for when they have to pay Cunningham, Ivey and Duren.



Great post. There must be a bunch of these type of guys. Cheap bets instead of expensive bets.
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Post#18 » by Lyonfan1 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:18 am

I went with J Grant….

Cade/Hayes
Ivey/Sasser
BB/Ausar
J Grant/I Stewart
Duren/Wiseman

This allows Bagley, Burks, even BB to be deadline trades-

Imagine Grant is similar scorer to BB, better D and rebounder of course… he can play the 3 and if Stewart takes another step shooting, he plays the 4? Or if Ausar steps up right away, then Grant plays the 4…
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Post#19 » by Pharaoh » Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:25 am

#1 obviously

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Post#20 » by Lyonfan1 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:01 am

At some point you have to bet on what you expect to be, and go for it…. For example the Lions can secure Goff, ASB, and J Jackson easily with the cap for next 3 years… they already have most other positions locked down for 3-5 with solid depth- good on them if they take action…. Or they stay cheap….. Goff has a career year and demands massive contract or trade next year, and their Pro Bowl LG leaves vis free agency, and St Brown holds out… NIGHTMARE!

1. Do we expect Cade and Ivey to be a top 3-4 backcourt over the next 2-3 years?

2. Beef Stew is just 21… averaged 8 plus rebounds and 11.3 points a game with solid D, improved outside shooting, and much improved free throw shooting- validating his stroke overall is improving…. As a 30 minute “4” would anyone be shocked by 13.5 points with 9.5 rebounds and 2 assists?

3. Duren was almost a 9 and 9 guy in 25 minutes with **** show lineups around him at times. He was 19! Wiseman also averaged 12 and 8 in 25 minutes per with Detroit…. Could they average a combined 25 and 20 this year in 24 minutes each?

That leaves…..

BB- he’s a starting level shooter and scorer, but he’s old and awful on D…

Ausar- he could be the missing piece if he’s a 15 points with 5 rebounds and 5 assists…. COULD- but it could take 2-3 years to get there….

Livers- he’s not a starter period



So put Cade and Ivey in the backcourt, leave Grant as a long 3 with 36% from deep range…. Assume Beef takes another tiny step and hits 33% from three… have a banger a center…

If Ausar is the guy, then move Grant to a stretch 4, and rotate Stew in…. Backup Ausar with Livers.

Sasser/Hayes
Burks
Livers- BB
Stewart
Wiseman

Even that wouldn’t be an awful 2nd unit if we traded BB

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