OKC has 21 players on their roster, and needs to get down to 15.

[bstein14]

OKC with 21 players, and I think several guys that are worth considering for our 15th spot. We do still have our room exception to offer more than an min deal if someone ends up catching Weaver's eye. Obviously Weaver also has a close relationship with OKC and tons of ties to that organization so perhaps Presti will throw Weaver a bone (like he seemingly did with Diallo and then Eugene) as he has to get rid of a few decent players to get the roster down to 15.

I'm guessing that Gay, Oladipo, Bertans, Garuba, Earl, Dieng, Joe and TyTy could be cut loose or on the trade block and only one of those guys ends up making the roster for OKC. Likely Bertans stays becaues he has a large contract.

Gay and Oladipo are obviously gets that if they get waived most likely will be picked up by a contender if they want to keep playing in the league they aren't likely targets for us IMO.

Jeremiah Robinson-Earl was the 32nd pick in the 2021 draft and is a 22 year old PF/C who is a decent shooter and averaged 20 MPG over his first two seasons.

Usman Garuba is a 21 year old 6'8" power forward who 23rd pick in the 2021 draft and shot 40.7 percent from three last season in 13 MPG for the Hawks (75 games played).

TyTy Washington was the 29th pick in the 2022 draft and is a 21 year old 6'3" guard who struggled with his shot his first year in the league with Atlanta playing just 31 games and 14 MPG.

Ousmane Dieng was the 11th pick in the draft last year and is a 20 year old 6'10" French player that the Thunder traded for and took ahead of Duren thank goodness. He really struggled in his rookie season as well playing just 39 games and 14.6 MPG. Because of how highly he was drafted OKC might not be ready to give up on him yet.

Isaiah Joe Because we don't have enough Isaiah's on the team yet, Joe is on a cheap rookie deal and has played well for OKC last season scoring 9.5 PPG in just 19.1 MPG with 41% from three. He is still just 24 years old and is yet another 2020 draftee. He's for sure better than Sasser at the moment but likely wouldn't make sense for us here unless we're for sure moving on from Killian. With that name, it seems like he's destined to be a Piston at some point.

[Pharaoh]

Seems OK is gearing up to be the 3rd team in the Miami/Portland trade tbh

Herro to OKC where he'll play a vital role giving space for SGA & Giddey to bend the defense.

Whole bunch of potential to Portland from OKC & Miami (they only have Jovic & JJJ) + Miami picks for Dame

Dame gets his wish & Miami get their man.

Presti has that job as long as he wants it so helping Miami while ending Portland as a real threat for a few years doesn't both him.

If anything it eliminates a potential play in team they don't need to worry about.

People forget that as a GM you shouldn't only be building your own team - you should also be actively trying to destroy potential threats in your conference

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[chrbal]

Usman Garuba is a 21 year old 6'8" power forward who 23rd pick in the 2021 draft and shot 40.7 percent from three last season in 13 MPG for the Hawks (75 games played).

TyTy Washington was the 29th pick in the 2022 draft and is a 21 year old 6'3" guard who struggled with his shot his first year in the league with Atlanta playing just 31 games and 14 MPG.

Both of these guys were Rockets last season. I doubt they move Dieng this quick, unless they get a real asset in return. Joe is cheap talent that actually played well last season. You’ve got to figure that some of the 21 are two way contract eligible

[Piston Pete]

Only *realistic* guy (outside of their core) that we might be able to get I have any interest in; Jaylin Williams.

Cheap stretch-4

I’d love to do Bagley for Jaylin (and whatever other guys they want to throw in to make salaries work - guys we could cut without cap penalties).

Ivey / Monte / Sasser
Cade / Burks
Bogey / Ausar / Livers
Stewart / Williams
Duren / Wiseman

[MotownMadness]

Only *realistic* guy (outside of their core) that we might be able to get I have any interest in; Jaylin Williams.

Cheap stretch-4

I’d love to do Bagley for Jaylin (and whatever other guys they want to throw in to make salaries work - guys we could cut without cap penalties).

Ivey / Monte / Sasser
Cade / Burks
Bogey / Ausar / Livers
Stewart / Williams
Duren / Wiseman

If you're referring to the Williams i think that you are then that's not happening at all.

[Piston Pete]

Only *realistic* guy (outside of their core) that we might be able to get I have any interest in; Jaylin Williams.

Cheap stretch-4

I’d love to do Bagley for Jaylin (and whatever other guys they want to throw in to make salaries work - guys we could cut without cap penalties).

Ivey / Monte / Sasser
Cade / Burks
Bogey / Ausar / Livers
Stewart / Williams
Duren / Wiseman

If you're referring to the Williams i think that you are then that's not happening at all.

They have 2…

One is Jalen Williams (played 30 mins per, more of a SF)

One is Jaylin Williams (played much less - is a stretch 4)

I bolded the one I’m interested in.

[MotownMadness]

Only *realistic* guy (outside of their core) that we might be able to get I have any interest in; Jaylin Williams.

Cheap stretch-4

I’d love to do Bagley for Jaylin (and whatever other guys they want to throw in to make salaries work - guys we could cut without cap penalties).

Ivey / Monte / Sasser
Cade / Burks
Bogey / Ausar / Livers
Stewart / Williams
Duren / Wiseman

If you're referring to the Williams i think that you are then that's not happening at all.

They have 2…

One is Jalen Williams (played 30 mins per, more of a SF)

One is Jaylin Williams (played much less - is a stretch 4)

I bolded the one I’m interested in.

Thought they traded the other one

My bad

[Piston Pete]

Something like these:

Marvin Bagley

for

Jaylin Williams
Isaiah Joe (unguaranteed deal)
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (unguaranteed deal)
Aaron Wiggins (unguaranteed deal)


…Or Bagley for Oladipo (expiring) and Jaylin

[Pharaoh]

Something like these:

Marvin Bagley

for

Jaylin Williams
Isaiah Joe (unguaranteed deal)
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (unguaranteed deal)
Aaron Wiggins (unguaranteed deal)


…Or Bagley for Oladipo (expiring) and Jaylin

Why would OKC want to trade for Bagley?

Couldn't they just dump the dudes who aren't guaranteed and buy out/waive other dudes?

I doubt any team in the league is calling Weaver about Bagley.

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[DBC10]

Seems OK is gearing up to be the 3rd team in the Miami/Portland trade tbh

Herro to OKC where he'll play a vital role giving space for SGA & Giddey to bend the defense.

Whole bunch of potential to Portland from OKC & Miami (they only have Jovic & JJJ) + Miami picks for Dame

Dame gets his wish & Miami get their man.

Presti has that job as long as he wants it so helping Miami while ending Portland as a real threat for a few years doesn't both him.

If anything it eliminates a potential play in team they don't need to worry about.

People forget that as a GM you shouldn't only be building your own team - you should also be actively trying to destroy potential threats in your conference

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GM's these days seem to not want to do that enough though. If OKC truly wanted to destroy a Western Rival, why not offer a huge contract to Austin Reaves for example? Make them swallow a poison pill at the last 2 years of the contract

The fact that no one bothered to try to outbid for any of the Lakers acquisitions seems to me that there's a unwritten code of doing business these days. The only big contract twist that happened so far was the Jazz poison pilling for Reed from the Sixers and even then that wasn't anything that big

Something like these:

Marvin Bagley

for

Jaylin Williams
Isaiah Joe (unguaranteed deal)
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (unguaranteed deal)
Aaron Wiggins (unguaranteed deal)


…Or Bagley for Oladipo (expiring) and Jaylin

Sorry chief, but Bagley is near a distressed asset. No one is giving anything positive for him outside of a very distant second

[Spider156]

Something like these:

Marvin Bagley

for

Jaylin Williams
Isaiah Joe (unguaranteed deal)
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (unguaranteed deal)
Aaron Wiggins (unguaranteed deal)


…Or Bagley for Oladipo (expiring) and Jaylin

Why would OKC want to trade for Bagley?

Couldn't they just dump the dudes who aren't guaranteed and buy out/waive other dudes?

I doubt any team in the league is calling Weaver about Bagley.

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Only way Bagley gets traded is 1. Dumping a longer contract on us or a disgruntled player who wants minutes. 2. Injured center and the contending team needs production and size at center. For example if the Mavericks lose Powell for whatever reason, they have Bagley to trade for. That’s the only way I see Bagley getting traded. Otherwise it’ll have to be a trade attaching Bogan and taking on a 60m 2 year contract, something like that.

[Pharaoh]

Seems OK is gearing up to be the 3rd team in the Miami/Portland trade tbh

Herro to OKC where he'll play a vital role giving space for SGA & Giddey to bend the defense.

Whole bunch of potential to Portland from OKC & Miami (they only have Jovic & JJJ) + Miami picks for Dame

Dame gets his wish & Miami get their man.

Presti has that job as long as he wants it so helping Miami while ending Portland as a real threat for a few years doesn't both him.

If anything it eliminates a potential play in team they don't need to worry about.

People forget that as a GM you shouldn't only be building your own team - you should also be actively trying to destroy potential threats in your conference

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GM's these days seem to not want to do that enough though. If OKC truly wanted to destroy a Western Rival, why not offer a huge contract to Austin Reaves for example? Make them swallow a poison pill at the last 2 years of the contract

The fact that no one bothered to try to outbid for any of the Lakers acquisitions seems to me that there's a unwritten code of doing business these days. The only big contract twist that happened so far was the Jazz poison pilling for Reed from the Sixers and even then that wasn't anything that big

Something like these:

Marvin Bagley

for

Jaylin Williams
Isaiah Joe (unguaranteed deal)
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (unguaranteed deal)
Aaron Wiggins (unguaranteed deal)


…Or Bagley for Oladipo (expiring) and Jaylin

Sorry chief, but Bagley is near a distressed asset. No one is giving anything positive for him outside of a very distant second

In relation to Reaves and other Lakers:

Maybe Reaves didn't want to sign any other deal presented to him? Him & his agent did instruct teams not to Draft him because he wanted to be a Laker.

Is it that much of a stretch to assume he took the Max the Lakers could give since he didn't want to play elsewhere?

As for their other guys maybe it's the same thing? Why take a little more money when you can be a Laker, play with LeBron and be on TV all the time?

I would imagine it would take a significant amount of extra money to make a dude leave LA and go to any number of other cities

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[tmorgan]

Good lord, Piston Pete, no wonder you’re so ticked off about the team. You seem to think massively lopsided deals in favor of the Pistons are available and Weaver simply isn’t executing them.

Bagley, with 2/25 remaining, is worth nothing. As in, no team would take him into cap space for free. We could trade him, of course, but we’d have to attach a pick, take on a different bad contract, or something else unsavory. And yes, that contract is Weaver’s fault, I know that.

[DBC10]

Seems OK is gearing up to be the 3rd team in the Miami/Portland trade tbh

Herro to OKC where he'll play a vital role giving space for SGA & Giddey to bend the defense.

Whole bunch of potential to Portland from OKC & Miami (they only have Jovic & JJJ) + Miami picks for Dame

Dame gets his wish & Miami get their man.

Presti has that job as long as he wants it so helping Miami while ending Portland as a real threat for a few years doesn't both him.

If anything it eliminates a potential play in team they don't need to worry about.

People forget that as a GM you shouldn't only be building your own team - you should also be actively trying to destroy potential threats in your conference

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GM's these days seem to not want to do that enough though. If OKC truly wanted to destroy a Western Rival, why not offer a huge contract to Austin Reaves for example? Make them swallow a poison pill at the last 2 years of the contract

The fact that no one bothered to try to outbid for any of the Lakers acquisitions seems to me that there's a unwritten code of doing business these days. The only big contract twist that happened so far was the Jazz poison pilling for Reed from the Sixers and even then that wasn't anything that big

Something like these:

Marvin Bagley

for

Jaylin Williams
Isaiah Joe (unguaranteed deal)
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (unguaranteed deal)
Aaron Wiggins (unguaranteed deal)


…Or Bagley for Oladipo (expiring) and Jaylin

Sorry chief, but Bagley is near a distressed asset. No one is giving anything positive for him outside of a very distant second

In relation to Reaves and other Lakers:

Maybe Reaves didn't want to sign any other deal presented to him? Him & his agent did instruct teams not to Draft him because he wanted to be a Laker.

Is it that much of a stretch to assume he took the Max the Lakers could give since he didn't want to play elsewhere?

As for their other guys maybe it's the same thing? Why take a little more money when you can be a Laker, play with LeBron and be on TV all the time?

I would imagine it would take a significant amount of extra money to make a dude leave LA and go to any number of other cities

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Any bad team could have gotten as high as $98 million for Reaves which would have put the Lakers closer to the second apron which they obviously do not want and would limit acquisitions. The fact that no team did seems like the edge between GMs is less compared to in the past. Even RFA management these days is a fairly non-eventful affair

But maybe you're right, maybe Reaves didn't go out hunting for a higher contract to force the Lakers to match because he loves it there and wants to win there while also getting life changing money regardless. There's nothing wrong with that and points to how much of an advantage certain teams have

[bstein14]

They waived Gay... still 5 extra players they will need to get rid of by October.

[bstein14]

https://sports.yahoo.com/okc-thunder-waives-usman-garuba-155900747.html?src=rss

TyTy Washington was waived a few days ago, and Garuba was just waived as well.

Still interesting to me that we haven't committed to a 15th player yet, but perhaps Weaver is going into training camp and the Preseason with the intention of letting one of the Exhibit 10 guys or two-way players earn that 15th roster spot.

[Kalamazoo317]

Garuba could be an interesting pick up for us.

[tmorgan]

Garuba could be an interesting pick up for us.

I’d take high effort, team-focused, limited talent Garuba over whatever Wiseman supposedly brings seven days a week.

[chrbal]

Garuba could be an interesting pick up for us.

I’d take high effort, team-focused, limited talent Garuba over whatever Wiseman supposedly brings seven days a week.

I mean technically we can carry both. If we were a team that was already in contention for at least a guaranteed playoff spot, I’d absolutely take Garuba over Wiseman. But we’re not, I’d rather see what the high upside guy whose played something like 90 games (college, NBA, G-League) since 2019/20 hoping consistent reps can get his game more polished. As opposed to a hustle guy who may be nothing more then just that.

Garuba has a good attitude and the skills he has are

helpful, but the Rockets and Hawks gave him away and he didn’t even stay with the Thunder long enough to go through preseason with them.

I’d like him on the Pistons, but he honestly might be better off joining a more established team that can hide his flaws

[zeebneeb]

Nobody should be wanting any other teams trash at this point.

Everyone's healthy.

Got 5 top 5 picks(!)(Wiseman, Bagley, Ivey, Cade, Ausar)

Got a top coach.

Let's see what he does with this group, and then look around.

Last thing this team needs is another PF/C, that seems offensively inept.