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25-26 season

PG = 5th year Cade(Age 24), first year of new max deal
SG = 4th year Ivey(Age 23), last year of rookie contract
SF = 3rd year Ausar Thompson(Age 22), third year of rookie contract
PF = 6th year Stewart(Age 24), 2nd year of extension just signed
C = 4th year Duren(Age 22), last year of rookie contract
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Every year Weaver kicks that FA forward part of me wonders if he's just planning on saving it to pay the guys he's already drafted. Perhaps he doesn't want to go out and get a good starter because he's banking on these five guys. All of these guys will be under contract for the 25-26 season with us unless we trade someone aways, or Cade doesn't want to resign... Even then we'd likely have him on a 5th year QO.

Cade wont resign if the team refuses to improve itself and we need an improvement for that PF slot so this entire scenario hinges on whether the Stew can deliver.
I have confidence in the other pieces potential though.
Just not satisfied yet with that as the solution.

Were still going to need to add our version of a Rasheed W. type to get to the level i envision for our core, starting the guy who at best should be a energy big for the 2nd unit, is not a path to returning to high level contenders. We can do better.

On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being I’m as pissed as possible), I’d be about a 6.5

Two years should be more than enough time to upgrade PF enough that we have a new starter there and Stewart becomes first big off the bench backing up PF and C.

My guess is we use our 2024 lottery pick on one of the many PF prospects. In year 1 or 2, they replace Stewart as our starting PF.

Even if it doesn’t happen that way, 2 years should be plenty of time for Weaver to trade for or sign a FA upgrade at PF.

Impossible question to answer without knowing how the team performed the two years prior.

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I’d be thrilled. That would mean they all developed into quality starters.

Weaver, Monty and Gores aren’t going to trot out all the lottery picks just for the sake of development.

You have to understand how a rebuild/restore works. Things that you get away with in the first few years of the process won’t fly once you hit on a few successful picks.

I expect all those guys to be on the team. Stewart probably off the bench and we have one or two big free agent at the 3 or 4.

I agree, it all really hinges on how well that team does. If its like the 95-96 Pistons with young Grant Hill, Theo Ratliff, Lindsey Hunter, Allan Houston, etc and they stay together that was a team full of young players that went 46-36 with the only vets playing big minutes being Otis Thorpe and Joe Dumars.

If that team is 46-36 in two years, being that young everything is great in Pistons land. If we're 36-46 probably a lot less happy fans.

As much as I like to say that Cade is the key(and he is)a big amount of the teams high-end success, is going to be of Stewart can consistently hit at a 36-41% clip from 3, while taking at least 4 a game.

Watching Duren in SL, also opened my eyes a bit to his jumper. If he is even a threat from distance, it changes the teams entire dynamic.

Barring injuries, I expect big things from this team next year. New big-time coach, and a team loaded with talent means a big push.

This is a huge year for just about everyone. Of it goes the way I hope, then that lineup in 5 years, means this year was a great success.

flow wrote:Impossible question to answer without knowing how the team performed the two years prior.

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This.

But there's a huge chance that lineup would still be absolutely terrible.

But Cade/Ivey and Duren could be all nba and Ausar an all star and Stew flaws could be irrelevant in that scenario.

it entirely depends on their development for me. i'm not worried about cade or thompson really, but ivey, stew and duren have huge steps to make before the team plays winning basketball.

we will also likely keep our first rounder next draft (top 18 protected) so there's a chance whomever we draft could supplant one of those 5.

I’d be ecstatic cause it means cade Ivey are doing good things together. Sadly I don’t think it’ll be it tho. Atm im leaning toward cade/ausar/duren being the keys. Ivey being a key, but seems like an odd man out. Could possibly see Ivey/ausar/duren being the keys, but that means cade is more than likely getting injured often making his trade value not to high, don’t like that scenario. Obviously I want them all to play together and mesh well, but im doubtful, call me a pessimist on this, but just the way I feel lol

whitehops wrote:it entirely depends on their development for me. i'm not worried about cade or thompson really, but ivey, stew and duren have huge steps to make before the team plays winning basketball.

we will also likely keep our first rounder next draft (top 18 protected) so there's a chance whomever we draft could supplant one of those 5.

I've asked this question a million times and I promise I'll write it down this time lol but after next year's draft(top18) what happens with our pick? Does it convert to two 2nd rounders in 2025 draft?

Canadafan wrote:

whitehops wrote:it entirely depends on their development for me. i'm not worried about cade or thompson really, but ivey, stew and duren have huge steps to make before the team plays winning basketball.

we will also likely keep our first rounder next draft (top 18 protected) so there's a chance whomever we draft could supplant one of those 5.

I've asked this question a million times and I promise I'll write it down this time lol but after next year's draft(top18) what happens with our pick? Does it convert to two 2nd rounders in 2025 draft?

Top 13 protected in 25

If it doesn't convey by 27 than it turns into 2nds

MotownMadness wrote:

Canadafan wrote:

whitehops wrote:it entirely depends on their development for me. i'm not worried about cade or thompson really, but ivey, stew and duren have huge steps to make before the team plays winning basketball.

we will also likely keep our first rounder next draft (top 18 protected) so there's a chance whomever we draft could supplant one of those 5.

I've asked this question a million times and I promise I'll write it down this time lol but after next year's draft(top18) what happens with our pick? Does it convert to two 2nd rounders in 2025 draft?

Top 13 protected in 25

If it doesn't convey by 27 than it turns into 2nds

Holy ****. Youd think it would convey by 2025 I guess

bstein14 wrote:25-26 season

PG = 5th year Cade(Age 24), first year of new max deal
SG = 4th year Ivey(Age 23), last year of rookie contract
SF = 3rd year Ausar Thompson(Age 22), third year of rookie contract
PF = 6th year Stewart(Age 24), 2nd year of extension just signed
C = 4th year Duren(Age 22), last year of rookie contract
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Every year Weaver kicks that FA forward part of me wonders if he's just planning on saving it to pay the guys he's already drafted. Perhaps he doesn't want to go out and get a good starter because he's banking on these five guys. All of these guys will be under contract for the 25-26 season with us unless we trade someone aways, or Cade doesn't want to resign... Even then we'd likely have him on a 5th year QO.

WHAT?

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Pharaoh wrote:

bstein14 wrote:25-26 season

PG = 5th year Cade(Age 24), first year of new max deal
SG = 4th year Ivey(Age 23), last year of rookie contract
SF = 3rd year Ausar Thompson(Age 22), third year of rookie contract
PF = 6th year Stewart(Age 24), 2nd year of extension just signed
C = 4th year Duren(Age 22), last year of rookie contract
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Every year Weaver kicks that FA forward part of me wonders if he's just planning on saving it to pay the guys he's already drafted. Perhaps he doesn't want to go out and get a good starter because he's banking on these five guys. All of these guys will be under contract for the 25-26 season with us unless we trade someone aways, or Cade doesn't want to resign... Even then we'd likely have him on a 5th year QO.

WHAT?

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26-27 Payroll
1. Cade $50 million
2. Duren $40 million
3. Ivey $30 million
4. Stewart $15 million
5. 2025 MLE$ 6th/7th man $15 million
6. 2026 MLE$ 6th/7th man $15 million
7. Thompson $11 million
8. 2024 #6 pick $10 million
9. 2025 #12 pick $7 million
10. BAE $7 million
11. Sasser $5 million
12. Vet Min $4 million
That's a 12 man roster plus we'll likely end up with a few 2nd rounders or other cheaper players. $209 million right there will likely be close to luxury tax level. If Weaver is banking on our draft picks being starters and getting paid like starters we might not go out and spend $30+ million on a starter next summer on a four year deal.

Even though Weaver may still have plans for Stewart to start, I think in two years it will be clear that he is better suited to a bench role. So hopefully our starting 4 is someone who we have made a splash for in FA. I'm also going to take a shot in the dark that Ivey is part of a trade package to bring a star here at some stage (not that I'm hoping for this to happen, entirely speculating).

Mr Peanut wrote:Even though Weaver may still have plans for Stewart to start, I think in two years it will be clear that he is better suited to a bench role. So hopefully our starting 4 is someone who we have made a splash for in FA. I'm also going to take a shot in the dark that Ivey is part of a trade package to bring a star here at some stage (not that I'm hoping for this to happen, entirely speculating).

What's the fascination with trading Ivey?

Dude has actual ties to the city and you guys are already wanting him moved on after 1 season

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Pharaoh wrote:

Mr Peanut wrote:Even though Weaver may still have plans for Stewart to start, I think in two years it will be clear that he is better suited to a bench role. So hopefully our starting 4 is someone who we have made a splash for in FA. I'm also going to take a shot in the dark that Ivey is part of a trade package to bring a star here at some stage (not that I'm hoping for this to happen, entirely speculating).

What's the fascination with trading Ivey?

Dude has actual ties to the city and you guys are already wanting him moved on after 1 season

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Read my last line again. Not hoping for it to happen. Don't know how I could have made that any clearer.

Mr Peanut wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:

Mr Peanut wrote:Even though Weaver may still have plans for Stewart to start, I think in two years it will be clear that he is better suited to a bench role. So hopefully our starting 4 is someone who we have made a splash for in FA. I'm also going to take a shot in the dark that Ivey is part of a trade package to bring a star here at some stage (not that I'm hoping for this to happen, entirely speculating).

What's the fascination with trading Ivey?

Dude has actual ties to the city and you guys are already wanting him moved on after 1 season

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Read my last line again. Not hoping for it to happen. Don't know how I could have made that any clearer.

Not really directed at you in particular just that the Ivey trade idea has got a lot of play since SL ended

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