John Salley on why he thinks that Isiah Thomas is so disrespected

[MortSahlfan]

John Salley on why he thinks that Isiah Thomas is so disrespected by so many people in the league: “Because it was a false narrative. Isiah took the fall when they said that he didn’t want to give the ball to Michael [Jordan], which when you’re watching that game he gave the ball to Michael the whole time. Michael and I had the same agent and at times he wanted me not to like Isiah. That was his personal thing. But there’s no reason for it to be like that. I just don’t understand because he is really a good guy.”

[Snakebites]

Disrespected by who?

By other NBA players of the time?

[vic]

John Salley on why he thinks that Isiah Thomas is so disrespected by so many people in the league: “Because it was a false narrative. Isiah took the fall when they said that he didn’t want to give the ball to Michael [Jordan], which when you’re watching that game he gave the ball to Michael the whole time. Michael and I had the same agent and at times he wanted me not to like Isiah. That was his personal thing. But there’s no reason for it to be like that. I just don’t understand because he is really a good guy.”

It’s really very simple

- Agents hated Isiah because he worked with the NBA to get a limit set on how much of a percentage they could take from players.

- Media hated Isiah because he worked with David Stern to get more black writers in the newspapers in a time when 99.9 of sportswriters who wrote about these young men on a daily basis were white.

- (Some) Star players hated Isiah because he worked to get more balanced pay for role players.

Love of money is the root of all evil… Isiah was a union president, and a leader that was just a little too egalitarian for some power brokers and he rubbed some rich peoples pockets the wrong way.

All the other narrative about Isiah is just spin doctor propaganda

[DetroitSho]

John Salley on why he thinks that Isiah Thomas is so disrespected by so many people in the league: “Because it was a false narrative. Isiah took the fall when they said that he didn’t want to give the ball to Michael [Jordan], which when you’re watching that game he gave the ball to Michael the whole time. Michael and I had the same agent and at times he wanted me not to like Isiah. That was his personal thing. But there’s no reason for it to be like that. I just don’t understand because he is really a good guy.”

It’s really very simple

- Agents hated Isiah because he worked with the NBA to get a limit set on how much of a percentage they could take from players.

- Media hated Isiah because he worked with David Stern to get more black writers in the newspapers in a time when 99.9 of sportswriters who wrote about these young men on a daily basis were white.

- (Some) Star players hated Isiah because he worked to get more balanced pay for role players.

Love of money is the root of all evil… Isiah was a union president, and a leader that was just a little too egalitarian for some power brokers and he rubbed some rich peoples pockets the wrong way.

All the other narrative about Isiah is just spin doctor propaganda

Speak brotha

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[Pharaoh]

John Salley on why he thinks that Isiah Thomas is so disrespected by so many people in the league: “Because it was a false narrative. Isiah took the fall when they said that he didn’t want to give the ball to Michael [Jordan], which when you’re watching that game he gave the ball to Michael the whole time. Michael and I had the same agent and at times he wanted me not to like Isiah. That was his personal thing. But there’s no reason for it to be like that. I just don’t understand because he is really a good guy.”

It’s really very simple

- Agents hated Isiah because he worked with the NBA to get a limit set on how much of a percentage they could take from players.

- Media hated Isiah because he worked with David Stern to get more black writers in the newspapers in a time when 99.9 of sportswriters who wrote about these young men on a daily basis were white.

- (Some) Star players hated Isiah because he worked to get more balanced pay for role players.

Love of money is the root of all evil… Isiah was a union president, and a leader that was just a little too egalitarian for some power brokers and he rubbed some rich peoples pockets the wrong way.

All the other narrative about Isiah is just spin doctor propaganda

So what you're saying is Zeke should be more recognised cause he worked all sides of the situation for the greater good!

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[Cavsfansince84]

With regards to MJ, they are very alike and that sometimes creates that kind of animosity. Both competitive to where winning/losing was the only thing that mattered to them and I don't think Mike ever got over Isiah eliminating him 3 years in a row. Simple as that. Isiah's public image since then is largely based on his record as a coach and exec which isn't very good and the allegations made by a woman or two. So it's not like Isiah is some paragon but all in all the media sided with Michael imo because he was the face of the league and the biggest star the league had ever seen.

[breezypeezy]

MJ is a pos crybaby that could never handle that the Bad Boys used to whip his ass.
Thats my take on it. And I am old enough to have seen the games so no flowery worded, revisionist debate bullet points will ever convince me other wise.
Michael Jordan pos, crybaby, sore loser, thats what he is.

[DNice68]

MJ is a pos crybaby that could never handle that the Bad Boys used to whip his ass.
Thats my take on it. And I am old enough to have seen the games so no flowery worded, revisionist debate bullet points will ever convince me other wise.
Michael Jordan pos, crybaby, sore loser, thats what he is.

This!

[MortSahlfan]

That's right... Pistons kicked Chicago's ass three years in a row and then this happens

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1991/01/30/surgeon-says-thomas-likely-done-for-season/7df5902b-c278-4d20-8e87-b14229bc5f56/

And then you can see guys hacking Isiah's wrist on purpose.. There's even a few videos showing it on YouTube because it's beyond obvious.

Watch on YouTube

[oldncreaky]

Zeke's on-court impact is disrespected too. One reason is that his all-NBA awards from 1983-87 are long forgotten because they occurred before the Pistons were showing up in the conference finals 1987-91 and getting national exposure. People who didn't watch don't appreciate how much he stepped back to allow Joe D to flourish -- and that change was necessary for the Pistons to win.

[Spider156]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago. I’m 32 so maybe it’s an age thing since I didn’t watch them play. I think they paved the way for many spoiled overpaid athletes now including sir Porter who just signed an extension only guaranteed one year. I’m over the stories of the past.

[DetroitSho]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago. I’m 32 so maybe it’s an age thing since I didn’t watch them play. I think they paved the way for many spoiled overpaid athletes now including sir Porter who just signed an extension only guaranteed one year. I’m over the stories of the past.

You're absolutely right............it's just you.

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[Pharaoh]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago. I’m 32 so maybe it’s an age thing since I didn’t watch them play. I think they paved the way for many spoiled overpaid athletes now including sir Porter who just signed an extension only guaranteed one year. I’m over the stories of the past.

Probably not just you but that's life.

I never get tired of hearing stories from any era. The more we're told the better

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[Invictus88]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago. I’m 32 so maybe it’s an age thing since I didn’t watch them play. I think they paved the way for many spoiled overpaid athletes now including sir Porter who just signed an extension only guaranteed one year. I’m over the stories of the past.

Spoken like a true millennial.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

[joedumars1]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago. I’m 32 so maybe it’s an age thing since I didn’t watch them play. I think they paved the way for many spoiled overpaid athletes now including sir Porter who just signed an extension only guaranteed one year. I’m over the stories of the past.

Wasn’t that LeBron?

[Invictus88]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago. I’m 32 so maybe it’s an age thing since I didn’t watch them play. I think they paved the way for many spoiled overpaid athletes now including sir Porter who just signed an extension only guaranteed one year. I’m over the stories of the past.

Wasn’t that LeBron?

Or Vince Carter. Or James Harden. Or Anthony Davis. Or now Damian Lillard.

The hilarious part of this post is that there was virtually no player movement in the era being discussed in this thread. A star was much more likely to start and end their careers on one team.

[Spider156]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago. I’m 32 so maybe it’s an age thing since I didn’t watch them play. I think they paved the way for many spoiled overpaid athletes now including sir Porter who just signed an extension only guaranteed one year. I’m over the stories of the past.

Spoken like a true millennial.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Everyone is doomed to repeat the past is what you haven’t been told.

The saying goes those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it right? Apparently politicians no matter the empire era time period etc are supposedly the ones educated about the past right? I mean they’re elected officials and they’re supposed to be wise right? So how come they’re repeating history over and over? Nobody cares that’s why.

If you ask me, history is doomed to be repeated no matter if you know it or not. Why? We sin the same way, therefore we are the same way. It’s part of the cycle that’s life and I think a mistake humans tend to make is they think they’re smarter than humans 1000 years ago. I don’t think we are I think we’re more of the same in fact there were smarter better empires in the past than this age in my opinion. It’s not a millennial issue, it’s a human issue. I can guarantee 100% of your actions/mistakes have been repeated in the past, do you still think that’s a millennial issue now? Maybe it’s a boomer issue. Doesn’t make any sense.

[Invictus88]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago. I’m 32 so maybe it’s an age thing since I didn’t watch them play. I think they paved the way for many spoiled overpaid athletes now including sir Porter who just signed an extension only guaranteed one year. I’m over the stories of the past.

Spoken like a true millennial.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Everyone is doomed to repeat the past is what you haven’t been told.

The saying goes those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it right? Apparently politicians no matter the empire era time period etc are supposedly the ones educated about the past right? I mean they’re elected officials and they’re supposed to be wise right? So how come they’re repeating history over and over? Nobody cares that’s why.

If you ask me, history is doomed to be repeated no matter if you know it or not. Why? We sin the same way, therefore we are the same way. It’s part of the cycle that’s life and I think a mistake humans tend to make is they think they’re smarter than humans 1000 years ago. I don’t think we are I think we’re more of the same in fact there were smarter better empires in the past than this age in my opinion. It’s not a millennial issue, it’s a human issue. I can guarantee 100% of your actions/mistakes have been repeated in the past, do you still think that’s a millennial issue now? Maybe it’s a boomer issue. Doesn’t make any sense.

The reason to pay attention to the past is that by doing so you can hope to learn from their experiences and avoid pitfalls they encounter with the additional knowledge gained. It has nothing to do with believing you are better or worse.

By ignoring history you're just depriving yourself of a source of learning. And by willfully ignoring this and the possibility of improving you are also trying to absolve yourself of a responsibility to improve society as a whole. You'd rather just throw your hands in the air and claim that you are powerless to improve your situation and are destined to make the same mistakes.

Yep. Sounds like a millennial to me.

[Spider156]

Spoken like a true millennial.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Everyone is doomed to repeat the past is what you haven’t been told.

The saying goes those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it right? Apparently politicians no matter the empire era time period etc are supposedly the ones educated about the past right? I mean they’re elected officials and they’re supposed to be wise right? So how come they’re repeating history over and over? Nobody cares that’s why.

If you ask me, history is doomed to be repeated no matter if you know it or not. Why? We sin the same way, therefore we are the same way. It’s part of the cycle that’s life and I think a mistake humans tend to make is they think they’re smarter than humans 1000 years ago. I don’t think we are I think we’re more of the same in fact there were smarter better empires in the past than this age in my opinion. It’s not a millennial issue, it’s a human issue. I can guarantee 100% of your actions/mistakes have been repeated in the past, do you still think that’s a millennial issue now? Maybe it’s a boomer issue. Doesn’t make any sense.

The reason to pay attention to the past is that by doing so you can hope to learn from their experiences and avoid pitfalls they encounter with the additional knowledge gained. It has nothing to do with believing you are better or worse.

By ignoring history you're just depriving yourself of a source of learning. And by willfully ignoring this and the possibility of improving you are also trying to absolve yourself of a responsibility to improve society as a whole. You'd rather just throw your hands in the air and claim that you are powerless to improve your situation and are destined to make the same mistakes.

Yep. Sounds like a millennial to me.

The sun rises and sets. The day comes after night. Without light there’s dark. It’s a cycle like many other things in life. It’s as if history is doomed to repeat itself. That was my point not about learning from mistakes I think that goes without saying.

[Uncle Mxy]

Is it me or are the old time players getting too old for all this talk. I’m over that era personally. I feel like they’re desperate to keep people talking about their era. Like nobody cares about the Isiah Thomas situation that happened 30+ years ago.

Isiah's still a current story. Ishbia buys the Suns and people are worried about Isiah the boogeyman tainting things there, because he's in Ishbia's circle somehow. That's last season, not decades ago.