Jerami Grant back?

[LSV]

If Portland opts for a mini-rebuild, feeling the news of Jrue Holliday's immediate trade, could the Detroit Pistons be open to his return?
What would it take?

It could be done from December 15th, and before February 9th.

Joe Harris, with his contract expiring, and $19,928,571 for this year.
And Killian Hayes, with his contract expiring, and $7,413,955 for this year, or Marvin Bagley III with his contract of $12,500,000 for this year and the next, plus some second round.

Jerami Grant will earn $27,586,207 this year.

[MotownMadness]

He's pretty expensive now but i do like his fit here

[Billl]

I'm not at all convinced they are looking to move him. They are obviously getting younger, but it looks like they are trying to put a decent team on the floor. You don't trade for ayton on a max deal if the plan is a complete tank.

[theBigLip]

I was hoping we could sign Grant at $20M x 3 last summer. He would seem to be a good fit. Now that he’s under contract at $30M x 5, that’s too expensive. He’s likely to be declining those last couple of years. We can easily put together a package to get him, but we should pass.

Our cap space for next summer should be able to get us a couple of really good players. Should Grant be one of them? I’d rather go younger and less expensive on our acquisitions.

And I’m sure some of you are saying cap space doesn’t matter anymore, and/or Weaver doesn’t know how to use it, well I’ll disagree with you on both points. First of all, with pending free agent’s signing first, then forcing trades, free agency has changed for sure. But facilitating trades (especially with the 2nd apron coming), cap space will be big next summer. And as for Weaver’s use of the cap? He did well to push things out a year and keep our flexibility.

[zeebneeb]

Under Williams system, I don't think he would be a good fit, and I didn't like his fit next to Cade to begin with.

Good defender, can get his own, bad fit, poor rebounder. Pass.

[Crymson]

I'd do it, but I doubt that the Blazers would simply dump him. They're not the sort to deliberately tank.

It could be done from December 15th, and before February 9th.

Because he was signed using Bird rights, he's trade-ineligible until January 15th.

[joedumars1]

No, develop what we have

[joedumars1]

No, develop what we have

[SuperBad]

I’d be down if Hayes, Harris, and Bagley/Wiseman mostly because I think if we can find even a break even deal for these guys we’ve invested in we should make a go at it, all the talent is going to get 10% more expensive every year anyways, that 30m won’t be too awful, I’m not a huge fan but we got to get something for Bagley/Wiseman, I like Hayes too, but we cant loose something for nothing like we did with so many others in the past.(Monroe, KCP)

[Invictus88]

I’d be down if Hayes, Harris, and Bagley/Wiseman mostly because I think if we can find even a break even deal for these guys we’ve invested in we should make a go at it, all the talent is going to get 10% more expensive every year anyways, that 30m won’t be too awful, I’m not a huge fan but we got to get something for Bagley/Wiseman, I like Hayes too, but we cant loose something for nothing like we did with so many others in the past.(Monroe, KCP)

It's not clear whether or not we would be losing something for nothing with Wiseman if we let him walk away after this year. If we are doing that then his performance this upcoming year probably dictated that we aren't.

The same can be said for Killian (with currently much less optimism given the current roster and his perceived limited role in the upcoming season).

Bagley will likely be filler in whatever deal we get for him by the time we trade him. Given as you say contracts keep increasing his won't look as onerous in a couple of years.

Harris and Bojan are likely the easiest to move because of where they are in their contracts and they each have a sought-after skill.

Grant at the 20 million or so we were paying him before was good because he was still young enough and slightly surpassed that contract with his play (and we were therefore able to flip him for assets). Grant now at 30 million is less young and less likely to outplay the terms of his deal.

If we had the rest of our roster filled out with more proven players then I think the Grant addition would be fine. But we have a young team and I really don't want to watch Grant play iso ball 21% of the time (his usage rate). I'd much rather give the ball to Cade and Ivey and let them develop further and have our 4 not need the ball in his hands as much to be effective. Oh yeah. A 4 who actually cared to rebound alongside his 5 would be nice too...

[Mr Peanut]

I don't think Grant is a perfect fit, and his contract is a little overpaid (although I think this will be less evident as the salary cap continues to increase), but for those saying no to him what else do they expect to spend our $50M+ cap space on next season?

We're clearly not a FA destination, and fewer good players are reaching FA anyway given the nature of the CBA. We don't really have the assets to trade for a disgruntled star as none of us want to part with any of the Cade/Duren/Ivey/Ausar core, and trading multiple first rounders is difficult given the nature of our pick owed to NY.

I think we could do a lot worse than Grant, who is already familiar with the organisation and a decent number of our players, and can put up a solid 20 PPG on good 3 point efficiency with good defense.

For those who remain hesitant, they should state their intentions of how we should spend our cap space otherwise. Would be interested to see if any of those scenarios are both superior to the above, and also realistic (the latter being a key point).

[Kalamazoo317]

I can't see that return appealing to Portland. The West is loaded this year. Portland can tank without gutting their roster. No reason to sell low on good pieces.

[LSV]

Jerami Grant is expected to be available for trade, per @MikeAScotto

“Jerami Grant, who becomes trade-eligible on January 15, is expected to become available before the trade deadline, according to rival league NBA executives who spoke with HoopsHype following the Lillard trade.”

(Via https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-damian-lillard-giannis-antetokounmpo-jrue-holiday-jerami-grant-deandre-ayton-jusuf-nurkic/)

[Snakebites]

I don’t think it’s a fit for us.

In theory Grant’s shooting and defense make him a solid fit. In practice he’s a bit of a ball stopper and his rebounding is problematic.

I’d almost want to do it anyway to get us away from the two big lineups our roster feels set up for, but the contract makes it a firm no for me in spite of that.

[LSV]

It all depends on where we are in January.

[bstein14]

I can't see that return appealing to Portland. The West is loaded this year. Portland can tank without gutting their roster. No reason to sell low on good pieces.

I'm sure their ideal scenario would be expirings and a decent first rounder for him, but in reality at that age and contract his value isn't very high IMO. It becomes whether or not you could do better with $30 million in cap space this summer or better off getting Jerami Grant for four more years at $30, $32, $34, $36(PO). I think you can make a strong case some teams would do better with $30 million in cap space, but also perhaps lesser destinations might be better off with the $30 million Grant deal.

[Snakebites]

I can't see that return appealing to Portland. The West is loaded this year. Portland can tank without gutting their roster. No reason to sell low on good pieces.

“Selling low” is a term applicable when there’s a strong possibility of value going up.

Grant just had a career season. His value isn’t going up from here.

[King Bugs]

Y'all are talking about this guy again?

I swear to god... the players that this fanbase will fall in love with.

[ComboGuardCity]

I don’t think the Blazers trade him until the summer. If we whiff on cap space he has to be plan B

[Billl]

Y'all are talking about this guy again?

I swear to god... the players that this fanbase will fall in love with.

In fairness, we have a glaring hole in the 3/4 spot and desperately need a 2 way player who can knock down a jumper. Not many of those guys hit the market. It's arguably the hardest spot to fill in the league right now because everyone needs guys like that.